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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

throwaway50606 wrote: post #159
echelon wrote: post #116

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Thank you for this! Next up: make "side loading" apps a thing. Do it with these stipulations: 1. Make it easy, part of the normal flow. Not hidden in an obscure panel or behind three or four dialogues. 2. Make it non-scary (no negs from Apple saying you'll destroy your device or safety) 3. Make it so it isn't called something negative like "side loading", but a part of normal user behavior: "download app", "web insta…

And then Facebook forces you to use their "web installer" that simply allows them to spy on everything you do on the phone :-)

Losing arbitrary code doesn't magically remove iOS's sandboxing.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

oger wrote: post #16

First of all: the EU definitely had good intentions when regulating the charger mess. The amount of incompatible chargers rotting in drawers and (possibly) landfills could definitely be reduced over time by agreeing on a common physical and electrical interface. However — limiting technical progress is not a good idea and we see that with the plethor of different power modes existing within USB-C. Possibly politician…

They can include that port near usbc port, or they can propose that port to be the new usb standard, but do you need more than 240W charging and 40gbps data transfer in a phone? Or to be more precise, how many phones are using full usbc capacity?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by dbg31415 »

Moldoteck wrote: post #411
dbg31415 wrote: post #313

Terrifying to give government this much control over tech. If Apple wants to build a premium experience that is better than USB-C then what? They can’t? We essentially gave W3C control over web accessibly and they can’t even release a new set of WCAG standards. Stalled and seems to be dead in committee. Keep in mind the EU doesn’t even have a standard power outlet. This is just the EU being petty and bullying an Amer…

Apple can include both usbc and that superior port and let people choose))) truth is usbc is already superior, it has been for years and I don't really understand frp what you'll need in a phone a port that should do more than 240w of energy transfer and ~40gbs of data transfer. And at last, the eu law can be adapted if industry agrees to a new port...

Talking a year from now. Or 5.

How does anyone advance?

People will stop trying, USB-C is just the mandate.

Why spend money building alternatives?

It’s adding a barrier to tech that shouldn’t be there.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by rswail »

worrycue wrote: post #386
crote wrote: post #220

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The law explicitly states that it has to be reviewed every couple of years to determine whether USB-C it is still the best choice, or there has been sufficient technological progress to warrant a switch to a newer standard. The fear for a "lock-in" is completely unfounded, as the EU previously quasi-mandated Micro USB and switching to USB-C was no issue whatsoever. Besides, nothing is stopping manufacturers from incl…

> Besides, nothing is stopping manufacturers from including both USB-C and another charging connector. On a handheld device with limited space? Come on now.

My iPhone has a lightning port and wireless charging. That's two.

How long until wireless charging is the default? Particularly combined with the iPhone's magsafe that allows charging to occur while the device is at any orientation?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by nickpp »

Moldoteck wrote: post #382
nickpp wrote: post #158

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There are now zero incentives to research and develop better plugs in the EU since it is illegal to market devices sporting them instead of USB-C.

Wtf are you smoking? You can add other ports, the law is about mandating usb-c. If you want thunderlightening port or anything you want besides usbc, like HEADPHONE JACK, you can doo this...

How many phones have you seen with multiple different ports for the exact same purpose: charging?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by eastbound »

sbuk wrote: post #132
withinboredom wrote: post #6

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Money.

Lazy reasoning. Previous bad press when changing 30-pin to lightning.

The bad press was because it was a proprietary-connector-against-a-newer-proprietary-connector.

Had Apple changed for USB-C at the time, or USB mini, it would have made the same positive press as when the Macbook Pro got back to normal (ie not “Here’s a single port for everything, go buy an Apple dongle if you want to plug a screen”).

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by Moldoteck »

misnome wrote: post #29
mszcz wrote: post #17

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It's not EU's loathsome meddling, it's Apple's loathsome insistince on using a proprietary cable for years and years to make an extra buck that has your knickers in a twist now.

Which cable should they have used instead?

Switch to usb-c just like they did with ipads? And laptops?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by gorbypark »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #110
rmm wrote: post #97

I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

How do you handle situation when you want to use your phone while charging it? Then you need to hold it together with charging pad which must not move otherwise your charging speed will drop significantly, which is synonymous to have it connected to the charger, but with much finicky "connector"

MagSafe (the wireless charging variety) was invented for this very reason. Magnets hold the charger in place, and can be small enough (not just MagSafe, but all Qi coils) that its not an issue to charge and use at the same time.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by katbyte »

hn92726819 wrote: post #372
lttlrck wrote: post #360

Do you think Apple intended to stick with Lightning forever? They were just taking their own sweet time. The fact that their other products switched a couple of years ago should make this obvious. Of course the EU will crow when the next iPhone has USB-C worldwide. I doubt this has had a significant impact on Apples internal planning. If any. It seems to me this will be more significant post USB-C and it's much more…

> do you think Apple intended to stick with Lightning forever? What?? Of course they did. Why do you think they are even considering USBC? Apple has zero incentive to use a common cable format; I'm sure they rake in money with their proprietary apple-only connectors. Look at magsafe. Changed it twice so everyone had to get a whole new set of chargers. Sure, they changed it to C now, but I'm guessing that's just becau…

When apple switched to lightning way back there was a huge outrage over “forced obsolescence” and “cash grab” making people buy new cables and other devices, as there was a huge number of docks and other devices in the wild

since the switch to lightning there is an even larger number of devices and docks all designed around lightning and very few of their customers wanted or asked for usb-c

It’s no surprise that for iPhones, with that large eco system they just didn’t change, while for iPads and macs they did because there just isn’t the same amount of accessories and usb a usb c is easy. You can’t use lightning dock devices with usd c at all. It’s far from as simple as “use a new cable” when the device is designed to fit over the base of the iPhone and plug in.

Otherwise they would have incentive to use usb c already as it’s been on iPads and many of their other devices for years and why keep around a separate set of product skus and parts just for iPhone?

So they simply waited to be forced to do it so now their customers will get mad at the eu and not them

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by mrtksn »

revelio wrote: post #433
mrtksn wrote: post #390

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Opinion polls are one thing, the EU itself is mede up of elected officials and officials appointed by elected officials. If UK wants to block travel and resident rights of EU citizens and keep access into EU markets, that's obviously where the EU has to say fuck off. Non-British have opinions too and the opinions are overweeningly that if you want to be in EU you have to have the same rights and obligations like ever…

In democracies opinion polls are regarded as important because people's opinions matter. The EU doesn't care about them because the EU is not a democracy. Even if you pretend the distance between voters and decision makers doesn't matter, here's a simple test: did your countries elected official vote for von der Leyen? You don't know the answer because the process by which she was selected is totally opaque by design…

I was in UK when the Brexit referandum was held, it wasn't about EU granting residency rights or anything like it. After UK let EU, nothing was done that couldn't have been done when EU. That's also why UK's public opinion changed.

Anyway, you are entitled to believe in alternative facts. You are also entitled to believe that all EU does is regulating USB-C, that's fine. You are also free to believe that EU officials do things that no one cares or wants and keep getting elected.

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