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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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> So, in other words, the EU forced one standard, which it is now abandoning (generating piles of micro-usb e-waste), This is hyperbole. Especially because a common retort on these articles is “surely this standardisation kills innovation”. A standard was adopted, preventing lots of e-waste. However, the old standard is now past its useful life, so a revised standard is being universally adopted. This is the best of…

That makes no sense. If USB-C is mandated, there will never be a newer standard to replace it, because no company will invest any time or money into developing it as it would not be legal to ship it until it’s blessed by the government and it won’t be blessed until it’s got a critical mass which it can never have! If the rest of the world mandated the Micro-USB standard at the same time as the EU previously, we would…

>If USB-C is mandated,

USB-C doesn't have to stay mandated. Once every single device and charger is using USB-C, they can let the law expire and the market will keep it a de-facto standard because no one is going to buy a phone that doesn't have USB-C unless it has a lot of advantages. Notice how micro-USB is no longer mandated in the EU?

Also USB-C isn't mandated the only port on the device. Add multiple charging ports. Plenty of laptops do that, even a few phones. It'll make the transition easier for people too because they can continue to use their USB-C chargers if they decide the new technology isn't a necessity. Just like how plenty of commenter here want to keep using Lightning cables.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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With the same Xbox cable but with a proper charger, does it work? Most of the time, you avoid problems of "PD device hierarchy" by using a proper charger (i.e. a device that only has the functionality to charge other devices).

> Most of the time, you avoid problems of "PD device hierarchy" by using a proper charger (i.e. a device that only has the functionality to charge other devices). The problem is with the "most", which means you can't count on it. I have usb-c headphones that can be charged with my hp usb-c laptop charger (which is a "proper charger", I guess, since it only does charging) or from a regular computer usb port. They don'…

> My usb-c ecig won't charge from that

Sounds like a "Fake" usb-c. Actually not fake because the usb-c is the connector, not the standard behind it

So I'm not surprised it doesn't charge, it's a "pretend USB-C" thing from China

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Lightning "just works" only because it's all made and validated by Apple. If you want guaranteed compatibility, just keep buying Apple-branded Type C cables and adapters like you did for Lightning. The only difference now is that you also have the option of using other cables and adapters if you want/need to, as well as use your Apple charging stuff for charging other things.

Yeah, I totally agree. The only annoyance I see is that you have to experiment with what cables and power adapters through trial and error to find what works with particular devices. I mentioned in a different reply in this thread that there ought to be some kind of consumer-friendly labeling on these things, so that you can see at a glance what will work with what.

> you have to experiment

You don't have to. You can. As the previous comment mentioned, nothing stops you from buying all the accessories and cables from Apple at a premium like you used to with lightning.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I plug my USB-C Android phone into any USB-C charger (including monitors, etc) and it charges rapidly Apple can go F themselves if that won't be the case with the iPhone

Apple devices do exactly the same, and has been for many years. I charge my stuff with a third party chargers, all I need is a lightning cable.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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What accessory makers? The only thing lightning is used for these days is charging. I can’t imagine that charging cables is a huge money spinner for apple.

It is not the charging cables, but the actual chargers itself. They are eye watering expensive if you buy them from Apple directly. Amazon and eBay are flooded with fakes that can be life threateningly dangerous. I can see why some people prefer to buy from Apple rather than figuring out what brands are actually not going to burn your house down.

I just had a look. The charging bricks they use are USB-C (the phones come with a lightning to C cable now) and cost $30 AUD. That seems very cheap.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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What accessory makers? The only thing lightning is used for these days is charging. I can’t imagine that charging cables is a huge money spinner for apple.

Here's a few accessories I can think of: - headphones - displays - "gas station" chargers (for when you leave yours at home and just need something cheap) - memory card readers These are just the ones I own.

Other than charging cables, none of those are the average person uses on an iphone. The ipads now all use usb c.

I cant imagine Apple would be risking huge fines for the EU for the 10 people who plug SD cards in to their phone.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I recently bought an Apple TV. It's a great device, but comes with a remote that's USB-C charged. That's fine except that it doesn't come with a USB-C cable, nor does the device have a USB port that could be used for charging the remote. So I ended up having to buy a third party USB charger and cable (I just don't have that much USB-C stuff laying around). That pissed me off and I wasn't shy about, politely, letting…

So you're mad that the regulation doesn't personally take your specific situation into account? Could you maybe see or understand that maybe the regulation is a bit more "big picture" than specific individuals needs, like society at large?

> So you're mad that the regulation doesn't personally take your specific situation into account?

There are millions of iPhone users in the UK. It seems unlikely that I'm the only one with a bunch of soon to be useless cables.

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