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Do you realize your parallel doesn't apply here? We're speaking about an iPhone, not a fridge nor a car.
Power is not the only parameter…
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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#62Good chance for apple to try to repeat dieselgate: only charge fast while tested. Circumventing EU regulations is clearly a business opportunity, while all small competitors suffer from them. Only bad luck, that they are an US company and thus nobody is willing to look away. Sincerely, I am really skeptical about all those EU regulations with such a clear enforcement deficit. I really wish the commission luck on this…
Honestly I don't see how a dieselgate-like situation may be possible. Automakers could bypass the law because no one measures their own car's emissions. In this case, instead, people would take 30 seconds to realize their third-party cable doesn't work with their iPhone because of Apple.
Also because in case of the Diesel gate, the constructors literally did the law since it was design by consortium and constructors lobbies were involve.
I hope the EU got vaccinated against this kind of practices.
If not, they should also look to what the FAA+boeing certified by consortium did with the 737 MAX and then get vaccinated definitively.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#63“Owing to the significant amounts of electronic waste caused by unused chargers …” Really?
Well they are going to force people to bin all their lightning cables for this new one.
Thank the gods. I have exactly three of these things and keeping track of them is a pita, and expensive to replace. USB-C cables ... I have an entire bin of them.
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What technical progress. Don't you think that 20V and 240W that are the maximum for Power Delivery are enough to fast charge a smartphone? Even laptops use it!
It's not just a question of total power - smartphones have limited space and thermal budget for internal power conversion compared to laptops, which means that the fastest charging option often moves some of the work of converting to the correct voltage to the charger. (Also, I don't think 240W USB PD has really been adopted by anyone currently, and that's a spicy amount of current given the general quality of USB C…
what advantage does the lightning cable afford? doesn't seem that Apple has really put their foot on innovation
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Apple can easily afford this. The real reasons for their foot-dragging are their need to differentiate their products, and their need (driven by their organisational culture) to feel that they are in control.
What he means is, having a proprietary connector means they can milk accessory makers with licensing fees.
What accessory makers? The only thing lightning is used for these days is charging. I can’t imagine that charging cables is a huge money spinner for apple.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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Can you elaborate?
To be clear, I am pro USB-C, but I do get the arguments from the other side. If I have a lightning cable and a device with a lightning port, I can plug it in and not really think much about it. If I have a device with a USB-C port and a USB-C cable, I have no idea whether I can charge at full speed or even charge at all. As an example, I plug my Xbox controller into my PC via USB-C. It keeps it fully charged. Recentl…
That's really weird, but I remember in the past there were some older usb-a ports that did not send enough power to charge some stuff, perhaps your headset requires a higher current than the controller or something.
Here I can charge my laptop (although slowly) via the usb-c on my PC. All other devices work fine too.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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To be clear, I am pro USB-C, but I do get the arguments from the other side. If I have a lightning cable and a device with a lightning port, I can plug it in and not really think much about it. If I have a device with a USB-C port and a USB-C cable, I have no idea whether I can charge at full speed or even charge at all. As an example, I plug my Xbox controller into my PC via USB-C. It keeps it fully charged. Recentl…
With the same Xbox cable but with a proper charger, does it work? Most of the time, you avoid problems of "PD device hierarchy" by using a proper charger (i.e. a device that only has the functionality to charge other devices).
> Most of the time, you avoid problems of "PD device hierarchy" by using a proper charger (i.e. a device that only has the functionality to charge other devices).
The problem is with the "most", which means you can't count on it.
I have usb-c headphones that can be charged with my hp usb-c laptop charger (which is a "proper charger", I guess, since it only does charging) or from a regular computer usb port. They don't pretend to have any high-powered charge mode (manual says 3 hour charge time and "usb charging").
My usb-c ecig won't charge from that. It will only charge from either my pc's usb-a port or random "low power" usb phone charger.
I haven't tested it with any of the fancier high-powered adapters, since I don't own any. But, clearly, usb-c charging ports are not that universal.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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What he means is, having a proprietary connector means they can milk accessory makers with licensing fees.
What accessory makers? The only thing lightning is used for these days is charging. I can’t imagine that charging cables is a huge money spinner for apple.
Here's a few accessories I can think of:
- headphones
- displays
- "gas station" chargers (for when you leave yours at home and just need something cheap)
- memory card readers
These are just the ones I own.
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
#69Lol and a lot of Apple's charging cables are Lightning to USB C now. I can't wait to get a USB C iPhone. All my stuff is USB C, from my Braille display to my game controllers. It'll make things so much easier to only need one kind of cable for everything.
I learned about an interesting corner case last week: devices that use USB-C physical connectors but have USB 2.0 PHY. You can get away with a much longer cable at that lower Baud rate, but that cable likely won't work for most USB-C devices.
True but many times helpful since that is the only way to get some relative cheap usb-c cables rated - and working -for 100W charging
Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones
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> The EU effort to standardize phone connectors led to nearly every phone manufacturer adopt micro usb and then usb c. So, in other words, the EU forced one standard, which it is now abandoning (generating piles of micro-usb e-waste), and is now doing it again. And this is Apples' fault for not moving to USB-C in... 2012. Didn't Apple use USB-A wall chargers with the 30-pin for phones at a time when everyone else was…
> So, in other words, the EU forced one standard, which it is now abandoning (generating piles of micro-usb e-waste), This is hyperbole. Especially because a common retort on these articles is “surely this standardisation kills innovation”. A standard was adopted, preventing lots of e-waste. However, the old standard is now past its useful life, so a revised standard is being universally adopted. This is the best of…
That makes no sense.
If USB-C is mandated, there will never be a newer standard to replace it, because no company will invest any time or money into developing it as it would not be legal to ship it until it’s blessed by the government and it won’t be blessed until it’s got a critical mass which it can never have!
If the rest of the world mandated the Micro-USB standard at the same time as the EU previously, we would never even have USB-C! No one would have bothered to invent it.