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Did you sign an invite code using the key in their bio? That's so neat! I'm not sure if you have more, but I'm also on the waitlist (bluesky@owen.sh) and would love to check it out.
That is very cool! Without utterly derailing this thread I'd love one too, I've been on the waitlist for a little while too but no luck yet. Eager to reserve my handle and kick the tyres early on.
I will say to be on topic that I am enjoying Mastodon, but the network effect isn't there yet. It's a pretty small minority of users from my feed that have either switched or are dabbling in both, so tech stack aside, I feel if Bluesky gets momentum it has the best chance of being a drop-in replacement for Twitter in the near-to-medium term, given the relative simplicity (this isn't a knock against Mastodon, more an acknowledgement of simplicity's factor in mass appeal).
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All invite-only early-access things that get hot are like it; once they go to general availability they go to shit, it seems.
There was a post here about a year ago that summarizes this pretty well[1]; I've honestly gone back to read it a few times for my own projects as it offers some good perspective and framing. > My take is, if a community is constrained by quality (eg moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means lower quality content. To some extent, more peo…
This is my “X can restrict who they deal with” (where X is school or church or business or group or whatever) “but the DMV and the police have to deal with everyone” rule.
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the design of the protocol :)
And that design lead to what difference?
Biggest difference that I noticed is in Bkueaky you identity is not tied to the site you signed up at.
Mastodon has a huge flaw in that your identity is not stable. Like email your identity is tied to your provider, and if you change providers you have to change your identity, and all your contacts have to update their addresses boom so to speak.
In Bluesky your identity is stable, with some caveats. It's easy to "bring your own domain" without having to host your own service provider.
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There was a post here about a year ago that summarizes this pretty well[1]; I've honestly gone back to read it a few times for my own projects as it offers some good perspective and framing. > My take is, if a community is constrained by quality (eg moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means lower quality content. To some extent, more peo…
Reminds me of the September problem in usenet. My attempt at a solution is to keep it in request-access beta and do targeted advertising only at people who share interests with high-quality subset(s) of discussion on the site, so the new users usually see and can learn what high quality discussion looks like on the site even if all areas aren't mature. As the site matures you can naturally let more people in until a…
This can be one reason to NOT lock things behind account creation; it lets those who just want to look so so without having to “emigrate”.
And you want the community to be able to assimilate those who come in versus the newbies overrunning everything.
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#106I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…
I'm also trying to stay positive. In that spirit, I really enjoy: 1. The very good documentation this early in the project! This is not common. 2. The very rapid response developer team that does it live! Once the combination of surprisingly rapid membership growth + no blocks blew up and it became an urgent moderation feature, they had blocks within weeks despite the technically challenging task due to the kind of f…
I really like your take and the one to which it responds. Mastodon is super neat and I'd love to see a broadly appealing open-source, non-commercial, decentralized social media network become dominant. However, the sharp decline in active users since the Twitter exodus supports what I've been saying for years: it is simply too much technical resistance for general social media audiences. I find it annoying and I used to enjoy dial-up BBSs.
It being such a centralized organization definitely gives me "oh boy, here we go again" feels but it's not like it's not like typical users are going to choose anything better. Eschewing this is the essence of the perfect killing the good.
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#107I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…
Positivity…about Bluesky…on HN?! Incredible.
If nothing else, Bluesky is a breath of fresh air. I’ve found some overlap of people trashing Bluesky to then asking for an invite LOL.
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#108What are the advantages of ATProto over ActivityPub? I don't get it, if you want to make a decentralized social network why not go with the standardized, working, protocol? What does ATProto offer over ActivityPub?
Character limits for one thing. "text": { "type": "string", "maxLength": 3000, "maxGraphemes": 300 } https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-feed#appbskyfeedpost
The mastodon server I use has a max length of 5k characters, so not really.
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#109Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…
Maybe it'd be better to just not have any blocking/muting built into such a system at all. If User A doesn't want to see posts from User B, that's fine. User A can have his client filter them out locally, prior to when they'd otherwise be displayed. Nobody else has to know this is happening. I don't think that User A should be permitted to prevent User B from replying to User A's posts, which in turn prevents User C…
> User A can have his client filter them out locally
We've been trying that with email and spam for the last 3 decades and I've got to tell you the results are not good.
> prior to when they'd otherwise be displayed.
A has to download the harassment from B just to then filter it locally? Seems like you're putting the onus on A here to do the work. What happens if B sends enough to DOS A's link? Or sends CSAM and now A is committing a crime just by downloading the content?
> as User B could log out, or use another account that hasn't been blocked
Which increases the friction on B if they want to harass A - this is good! We want to make harassment as friction-full as possible!
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Agreed. The most important property of any-to-any publishing is not to (algorithmically or otherwise) turn any-to-any into some-to-many by creating celebrities and boosting the same content to everyone. I think this is something TikTok (for all their issues) probably got more right than others. There’s a lot further to go before we perfect this, but Nostr, Bluesky, et al. are doing at least something right.
People prefer to receive information that other people get (ie from popular people and large outlets), so algorithmic prioritization of existing popular brands/people is literally just giving (most) readers what they want. Sites that do this will outcompete sites that do not. Decentralized systems do provide an escape hatch, however, so that's good and useful for the minority of users that seek out niches or deep cut…
I don’t know if that’s true but it seems like TikTok’s success is at least partially attributable to it not being?