I've been using Stable Diffusion to generate cover images for the music I release & produce for others. It's a massive time saver compared to comping together the release art using image editing software, and a lot cheaper than working with artists, which just doesn't make sense financially as an independent musician. It's a little bit difficult to get what you want out of the models, but I find them very useful! And…
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Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
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Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#312Great read, but I don't agree with all of these points. OpenAI's technological moat is not necessarily meaningful in a context where the average consumer is starting to recognize ChatGPT as a brand name. Furthermore, models which fine-tune LLMs are still dependent on the base model's quality. Having a much higher quality base model is still a competitive advantage in scenarios where generalizability is an important a…
You're forgetting the phenomenon of the fast follower or second to market effect. Hydrox and Oreos, Newton and Palm, MySpace and Facebook, etc. Just because you created the market doesn't necessarily mean you will own it long term. Competitors often respond better to customer demand and are more willing to innovate since they have nothing to lose.
Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#313I remember I was at Microsoft more than a decade ago now and at the time there was a lot of concern about search and how far Bing lagged behind Google in geospatial (maps). After some initial investment in the area I was at a presentation where one of the higher ups explained that they'd be abandoning their investment because Google Maps would inevitably fall behind crowdsourcing and OpenStreetMap. Just like Encarta…
Open source works well when the work is inherently cool and challenging enough to keep people engaged. Linux and Blender are two of the most successful open source projects, and the thing they have in common is that problems they solve are problems engineers enjoy working on. Mapping intersections is extremely boring in comparison. The sheer quantity of boring work needed to bring open street maps up to the quality o…
Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using osm more and more recently. Google just makes a bunch of frustrating decisions that really pushed me to look elsewhere. Especially in the public transport layer, but more generally in being really bad at deciding when to hide details with no way to override it and say "TELL ME THE NAME OF THIS CROSS STREET DAMNIT THATS THE ONLY REASON I KEEP ZOOMING IN HERE!!!".
> generally in being really bad at deciding when to hide details with no way to override it and say "TELL ME THE NAME OF THIS CROSS STREET DAMNIT THATS THE ONLY REASON I KEEP ZOOMING IN HERE!!!". Stuff like this is the main reason I end up switching to Apple Maps on the occasions that I do so. Another example is refusing to tell me the number of the upcoming exit I'm taking. In general I would say Google Maps is stil…
Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#315The part of the post that resonates for me is that working with the open source community may allow a model to improve faster. And, whichever model improves faster, will win - if it can continue that pace of improvement. The author talks about Koala but notes that ChatGPT is better. GPT-4 is then significantly better than GPT-3.5. If you've used all the models and can afford to spend money, you'd be insane to not use…
>Midjourney is more popular (from what I'm seeing) than Stable Diffusion at the moment because it's better at the moment. Midjourney is closed-source. Midjourney is easier, its not better. The low barrier to entry has it popular, but it isnt as realistic, doesnt follow the prompt as well, and has almost no customization. SD is the holy grail of AI art, if you can afford a computer or server to run SD + have the abili…
I've twice spent a couple of hours unsuccessfully trying to generate a simple background image that would be blurred out when rendering 3D models. SD out-of-the-box was far worse, but Midjourney still was not up to the task. It's incredible how well they can generate images of nearly any subject/object and make some changes to the style and placement, but trying to precisely achieve critical broad-stroke things like like perspective, sizing, lighting direction/amount/temperature, etc. was far too cumbersome. Prompt refining is just like having a program with a bunch of nebulous undocumented menu entries that you just have to click on to see what they do rather than just giving you the tools to make what you need to make. Was that the right entry or the wrong entry? Who knows! Maybe just try it again to see if it works better!
There's a fundamental disconnect between professional-level and consumer-level tools. Consumer tools must be approachable, easy to use, quickly yield appealing results, affordable, and require little maintenance. Professional tools need to be precise, reliable, capable of repeated results with the most demanding tasks, and easily serviceable into perfect working order.
These are consumer-level tools. If you merely need a cool picture of a space ship done in such and such style with such and such guns blah blah blah (that for some reason always looks 10%-50% Thomas Kinkaid,) these tools are great, but they abstract away the controls that really matter in professional work. Novices who get overwhelmed by all of those factors love it because they don't understand, and probably don't care about what they're giving up. For serious work, aside from getting inspo images or maybe generating deliberately weird bits of whatever, they're hit-or-miss at best. Without exception, doing a rough mock-up in a modelling program took FAR less time than trying to wrangle exactly what I needed from one of those generators.
I'm sure they'll get there someday but right now they're miles away from being professional-quality image generation tools.
Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#316OpenAI has a huge lead in the closed source ecosystem, Google's best bet is to take over the open source ecosystem and build on top of it, they are still not late. Llama based models don't have a permissive license, and a free model that is mildly superior to Llama could be game changing.
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#319Like original search, the two application aspects are roughly algorithm and interface. Google years ago won by having a better interface, an interface that usually got things right the first time (good defaults are a key aspect of any successful UI). ChatGPT is has gotten excitement by taking a LLM and making it generally avoid idiocy - again, fine-tuning the interface. Google years ago and ChatGPT got their better results by human labor, human fine tuning, of a raw algorithm (In ChatGPT's case, you have RLHF with workers in Kenya and elsewhere, Google has human search testers and years ago used DMOZ, an open source, human curated portal).
Google's "Moat" years ago was continuing to care about quality. They lost this moat over the last five years imo by letting their search go to shit, become focused always on some product for any given search. This is what has made ChatGPT especially challenging for Google (it would be amazing still but someone comparing to Google ten years ago could see ways Google was better, present day Google has little over ChatGPT as UI. If Google had kept their query features as they added AI features, they'd have a tool that could claim virtues through still not as good).
And this isn't even considering of updating a model and the question of how the model will be monetized.
Re: Google “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”
#320So I use ChatGPT every day. I like it a lot and it is useful but it is overhyped. Also from 3.5 to 4 the jump was nice but seemed relatively marginal to me. I think the head start OpenAi has will vanish. Iteration will be slow and painful giving google or whoever more than enough time to catch up. ChatGPT was a fantastic leap getting us say 80% to Agi but as we have seen time and time again the last 20% are excruciat…
Then it’s not 20% then
20% of a plant contains 80% of the fruit
80% of a company’s profits come from 20% of customers
20% of players result in 80% of points scored
I've heard this stated as you can complete 80% of a project with 20% of the effort, and the last 20% of completeness will require 80% of the effort.