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Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by kevingadd »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #108
AraceliHarker wrote: post #24

Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can from being scavenged by others, and FB spending heavily to protect his security, so why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others?

He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Not saying everything FB does is ok but I think we are going too crazy with the government intervention. I don’t exactly see that FB was committing deliberate fraud based on this latest report (but a lot is redacted). It seems more like there were just some bugs? As a dev…

> He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook.

Tell that to anyone who needs to use an Oculus device for work. Facebook required, friend!

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by denton-scratch »

JohnFen wrote: post #241
denton-scratch wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can’t really think of harms I suffered as a child from watching ads. Nor me. But in those days, they couldn't push cigarettes, booze and gambling at us.

You must be younger than me. When I was a kid, I saw plenty of ads on TV for tobacco and booze. No gambling, though.

You're right; I saw booze ads (Cinzano comes to mind - and Tia Maria). I don't remember seeing cigarette ads; but I remember a memorable ad for Hamlet cigars.

So I'm wrong (forgetful old man!)

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by loeg »

batmaniam wrote: post #273

If a person is out on bail, violating that bail order forfeits their bail payment and they also go back to jail. So if FB has not been complying with FTC's order, then what's the penalty they have to pay for their failure?

Facebook isn't on bail. And as a metaphor, bail is not relevant to the situation.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by optymizer »

jonathankoren wrote: post #269
optymizer wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Some crap for free". Come on now. Give credit where credit is due if you're going to talk about balanced scales. React PyTorch Flow React Native Folly RocksDB llama HHVM Relay Fresco zstd Buck Sapling Redex JSX infer

Everything run and controlled by exactly one major company. Not so much open source, as faux-pen source.

What are you talking about? You can fork the code and go nuts. There's an open source license attached to the code. It's the definition of free and open source code. Jesus we're getting into demented territory here.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by [deleted] »

wirthjason wrote: post #16

Since there is bound to be a lot of Facebook bashing I’ll point out that they occasionally do some good. In the case of software they can be good stewards of FOSS. I listened to this CoRecursive episode about the history of Zstandard compression algorithm and how FB allowed the author, Yann Collet, to fully open source it while other companies wanted to keep it proprietary. https://corecursive.com/data-compression-ya…

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Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by batmaniam »

loeg wrote: post #274
batmaniam wrote: post #273

If a person is out on bail, violating that bail order forfeits their bail payment and they also go back to jail. So if FB has not been complying with FTC's order, then what's the penalty they have to pay for their failure?

Facebook isn't on bail. And as a metaphor, bail is not relevant to the situation.

Yea maybe it was a bad example. I meant to say what type of enforcement is behind the FTC's order? With bail, the enforcement is through expensive monetary forfeiture and the guarantee of jail time. And if any laws were broken during the time out on bail, the person will get additional charges in addition to the ones they already had while on bail. Basically all crimes/violations are covered and punishment dished out accordingly to each current/past violations.

Facebook violated the order by the FTC, and for the order to have any teeth to it, there must be some sort of enforcement action behind it, just like for bail. Right now it seems like FB is just getting told off by saying the FTC will 'propose' FB not to benefit from certain data collection. Ok, so nothing has been actually enforced for the violation.

And what about for the past violations? Will FB be forced to delete all their data they collected during the time they were under the FTC's order? The proposal (if even passed), will only limit future collections, not violations that have already happened and profited from.

> Now, the FTC has proposed changes to the 2020 order that would prohibit Facebook owner Meta from launching new products on any of its platforms without procuring written FTC compliance confirmation and prevent the company from monetizing any of the youth data it collects across Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus.

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by steve1977 »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #267
curiousllama wrote: post #8

What I'm most interested in is the redacted bits of the Order to Show Cause [1] The scale of the remediation (no new launches) doesn't really match the scale of the accusation in the press release (Messenger kids once had a bug where kids could circumvent parental controls if the parents didn't pay attention). The Order to Show Cause includes a comprehensive, in-depth review of FB's privacy programs - and it's almost…

Likely ads targeting. Twitter had a bug where they would track you around the web even if you opted out... this was obvious for years because you'd immediately start seeing ads for specific drugs if you searched for a medical condition in a separate browser etc. Instead of actually fixing the issues, they removed the ability to opt-out of personalization (lol)

a “bug”…

Re: Facebook has not been doing enough to comply with a 2020 privacy order: FTC

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Post by themagician »

The privacy issues almost seem moot at this point to be honest. Everything on Facebook is either a scam, scam adjacent, or some kind of grift. It's actually incredible to see how Facebook has grown over the years. It's like the SPAM inbox in Gmail, but prettier and sprinkled with posts from "friends." Instagram has gone the same way.

I would say that, "Maybe I'm just getting old," but when I actually look at the humans on Facebook "interacting" with "content" they are all decades older than me. More and more Meta reminds me of QVC.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #104
tmpz22 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phew thank gif they open sourced a compression library it was worth the privacy of 500_000_000 children being monetized. And where would we be without React? Chaos, chaos everywhere…

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Children were put to work in the coalmines since 1700's and dying of blacklung. Somehow society has survived.

In medieval times you could rape children, and suffer no consequences. There was no age of concent. Somehow society has survived.

Feudal lord had the right to fuck your wife before you, and take her virginity, somehow society has survived.

Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan, somehow society has survived.

1/3 of Europe has died of the plague. Somehow society has survived

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