Edge fucking sucks.
MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Just to add more examples of markets they are trying to take over by not being better, but by buying up the competition: - Video games: Activision/Blizzard, ZeniMax, Double Fine Productions, Obsidian Entertainment, inXile Entertainment, Playground Games, Compulsion Games, Undead Labs, Ninja Theory, Mojang - Developer ecosystems: npm, Dependabot, GitHub, Playfab, Deis, Xamarin, Havok, HockeyApp
This is standard business affairs for pretty much every big company. Apple, Google, Amazon, and many other fortune 500 companies, have all bought up dozens of businesses and their products and rebranded them as their own. Not sure why we're solely picking on Microsoft here...
Indeed, Microsoft didn't invent capitalism. They just have a strong position and understand the rules very well.
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I think the worst part is their authentication, for some reason I have a personal account that was invited as a guest in an organization to use Teams. I can only access the Teams workspace if I click through a link in my emails and I have to login twice. It only works on the web version, I can't login the app at all. But once you're in Teams, everything is so much worse, it's like using a hacked version of MS Word to…
The only thing MS Teams has going for it is that it is included in Office 365 subscriptions. That's it. It's a garbage product that's slowing even the fastest computers down to a crawl. And don't get me started on all the bugs. Horrible.
Then again, the calendar/video call is great, but once I'm back in Teams, I can't video call someone on the web version.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#694The relationship between Microsoft and larger enterprises is like an abuser and the partner who, no matter how long the abuse goes on, can’t seem to leave them.
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>They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. Sorry, but Google really isn't a saint regarding degraded experience. The shenanigans around UX for example using Google services in Firefox have a long, well documented tradition. They just aren't as overt and clumsy with it as MS.
I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things. Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.
What are the Chrome version of things specifically? I just wonder what I'm missing out on..
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Arguably, Microsoft is why a browser's user-agent is so useless for determining supported features. https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ The context is explained prior, but the part I'm pointing to is: > And Microsoft grew impatient, and did not wish to wait for webmasters to learn of IE and begin to send it frames, and so Internet Explorer declared that it was “Mozilla compatible” and began to imperson…
I think user agent strings were a terrible idea from the get-go, so I'm OK with Microsoft (and everyone else) fudging them this way. I think it'd be even better if everyone used the exact same UA string.
> I think it'd be even better if everyone used the exact same UA string.
Then why send a UA string at all? Save the bytes on the wire.
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Been using Linux more and more. Linux tends to have less of this nonsense and respects the user more.
I would say Linux doesn't have this type of nonsense at all.
Mostly it's just the commercial distros (Ubuntu). The problem is not the OS, it is the incentive structure (commercial vs libre).
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Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.
Isn't wanting to make a better product a business decision?
M$ only improved their product because they want to make more money! Unlike me, who works for free.
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I doubt "love" for the software is involved here. I think many users believe Chrome is "the internet" just like they used to believe the Google search page was the internet, or Internet Explorer before that. This impression of Chrome was built on the fact that it's a solid browser but was enforced by Google with the same underhanded practices they applied for years. My Android phone came with Chrome which I can't uni…
People have to use "the internet" to install Chrome on a fresh Windows install. So I don't think anyone thinks that Chrome is the internet (that's actually something Chrome had to overcome when IE was dominant and installed by default). Microsoft problem now is that for 15+ years people have been told and essentially trained to install a new browser if they want a good internet experience on Windows. And that is Micr…
> People have to use "the internet" to install Chrome
That's not been true for a while. IT preinstall Chrome in most companies nowadays, and obviously it's already on the phones and tablet you buy for the home.
Yes, MS dropped the ball after killing Netscape and being humbled by antitrust laws. But the current situation is as much a product of Google's "growth hacks" and mobile monopoly.
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#700You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…
Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.
Thing is, they embraced open source, not libre software aka copyleft. Non-copyleft as always been about taking from others and not giving back. Whoever has ever thought differently never understood that non-copyleft is a tool of liberalism, not community building