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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by cumshitpiss »

kbenson wrote: post #471
capableweb wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if they stopped trying to become monoliths, people would stop considering them as monoliths? What purpose could buying GitHub serve if they don't want GitHub to be a part of Microsoft? They are obviously trying to do everything, via a centralized organization which is Microsoft, so by all measures, they are or want to become, a monolith. Regardless of what other people in the organization is doing, the organiza…

That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. In a large organization different departments may do different things and have different incentives, and until they overstep too much may have quite a bit of autonomy. Considering all actions taken as part of some overarching plan is probably assuming too much. Some actions probably are towards some larger strategy,…

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

shrubble wrote: post #428
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.

The "portable" language that doesn't run on FreeBSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.?

Uhm, I'm currently running abour 4 binaries that have that famous `exe` file extension on FreeBSD. C# runs on FreeBSD just fine. There is no bootstrap available for FreeBSD - must either cross-compile or use linux emulation.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by than3 »

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Microsoft is no better than an accounting firm at this point. The only reason they are still around is because of the data collection from spying on their users, and malign and coercive practices that are illegal but remain unenforced probably due to some backroom deal they made regarding the former.

They had a few good ideas early on, and now that open source isn't patent bound (not gonna get into the rediculousness of UI software patents that have been granted where they never met that bar of novel, useful, and non-obvious [grouping items is somehow non-obvious?]).,

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by than3 »

tempodox wrote: post #564
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Obviously their dark patterns are not sufficient to drive away enough users and this has been the case for decades. Nothing new to see here, it's the same old Microsoft of yore.

That's because they have backroom deals with the manufacturers.

Its impossible to compete when the manufacturers are actively hostile and don't provide the firmware/code/specs in a way that the hardware can be supported independently. Some even use this to spy under an umbrella of plausible deniability, there was an article just recently about Qualcomm chips that did this (checked in) at the firmware level.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by trinsic2 »

ghostly_s wrote: post #586
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

Embrace and Extend.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by trinsic2 »

grey_earthling wrote: post #598
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. They stand for weary resignation. Same as Google and Amazon. For most people, they're just there, and you can't not use them, so what can you do? They can be as dodgy as they like, because when you point out what they're doing, most people will just be confused about why you're complaining, because you may as well be rail…

LOL, you are so right on that, average users do not understands the issues at hand about this, we need some kind of movement that better explains the issue.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by smolder »

userbinator wrote: post #296
rwalle wrote: post #205

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Why go as far as self-hosting, they should be all open source and IT admins will be able to fix bugs themselves. (Of course this is sarcasm, just the way you want it)

Worked at a company which used an internal IRC server for messaging, that was the best experience I've ever had.

I agree, this is the best. No one can flood the chat with stupid gifs to make it unnavigable.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by trinsic2 »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

It feels kind of like the have been taken over by some other organization actually.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #295
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

Yes, but Apple offers a neat well maintained garden that is the greatest thing as long as everything you need is there, and you don't eat any apples.

MS looks at it and thinks their frat party mansion (3 bedroom duplex) can do the same.

Apple gets away with it because that what their target audience want. MS target audience doesn't want it. If I wanted a walled garden - I would use Apple, they clearly know how to maintain it.

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