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Post by aaaronic »

coffeeling wrote: post #523
hnbad wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"bar" is an overstatement if you like me were reading that as one of those early 2000s era browser toolbars. A recent Edge update added a fairly large and persistent Bing icon to the right end of the browser's menu bar. It uses a speech bubble design and is likely part of the push for AI chat powered Bing search. It's obnoxious that you can't hide it but it's more of an eyesore than an actual problem.

You can hide it. Settings->Sidebar->Discover

Finally! It was only hidable via a registry hack when it first came out.

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Post by efitz »

RoyGBivCap wrote: post #605
efitz wrote: post #572

I worked at Microsoft back in the day when we got anti-trusted for not removing IE from Windows. Seems like there’s a lack of institutional memory over there.

Zoomers these days seem to think Bill is a benevolent do-gooder due to Gates foundation propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMoNGqQTI Those of us who were computer nerds in the '90s know he and Microsoft were more akin to the Borg. Slashdot always used to feature Bill as Locutus on stories about him/Microsoft. This is completely on brand for microsoft. The "reform" is entirely made up. He's the same oligarc…

Gates always was an asshole - nobody wanted to go to meetings with him because he was such a jerk. He set the example for the toxic nerd culture at Microsoft. A lot of the people at Microsoft were great but a lot of the leaders from that era, especially those promoted from the tech ranks, were downright abusive. I left near the end of the Ballmer era so I haven't gotten to see how things have changed under Satya Nadella but I hear good things from my friends who still work there.

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Post by aaaronic »

alkonaut wrote: post #77
ranting-moth wrote: post #58

So much for the "but Microsoft is a new company now". Remember "Microsoft loves open source" phrase from just few years ago? Guess what, Ike also loved Tina.

I always saw it as Microsoft is clearly two (or more) companies now. Some of those companies are very much what Microsoft was always like. Some others aren't at all like microsoft in anything but name.

Or more, indeed!

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Post by out-of-ideas »

beerpls wrote: post #597
ghostly_s wrote: post #586

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Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

It’s not just about trust, MS is outright hostile. Hostile UI, hostile business practices, hostile legal and growth endeavors At this point i’m not hust distrusting MS i’m actively doing anything I can to support their demise

aren't all these providers-of-things hostile in about (all ways) or at least most ways than not hostile ways? MS, Apple, Google, Amazon, FB, Adobe, IBM... they just want money; where's the money?

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

hospitalJail wrote: post #391

When trying to get GPT Bing, I let Microsoft set the defaults like they insisted. It was such an awful experience. >desktop ads >Edge opens, edge ads >Bing default browser, ads >start menu ads More on their products: >Sharepoint, 3 different versions, terrible documentation. Impossible to develop for when you have forum posts describing different software with the same name. >Power Automate, No I don't want drag and…

You can't uninstall Edge because it's deeply baked into the OS and even someone who knows what they're doing will probably bork their machine.

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Post by helmholtz »

tempodox wrote: post #564
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Obviously their dark patterns are not sufficient to drive away enough users and this has been the case for decades. Nothing new to see here, it's the same old Microsoft of yore.

Maybe not enough, but certainly some. I'm not a software person, and yet my personal machine now runs linux, exactly _because_ of Microsoft's wankery with no local accounts, uninstallable Edge, Cortana, news on the fucking taskbar, and the shitty Windows 11 with its shitty taskbar. Fuck all that noise. Life is calm and great in linux land.

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Post by vluft »

szundi wrote: post #610
seabrookmx wrote: post #495

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C# is great. Also VS Code.. how many Microsoft haters on HN daily drive it? I'd have to assume quite a few! The Remote SSH extension has been a game changer for how I do development.

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other than both being electron apps (and admittedly electron was made for atom), Atom and VS Code share no common codebase.

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Post by zuminator »

I wonder how many people who switched away from Windows for good actually wrote to Microsoft and informed them, "Hi I'm so-and-so lead developer for XYZ, and I and my entire team switched over to the Apple stack because your latest dark patters shenanigans were just the last straw."

Corporations are like unhousebroken pets. Unless you rub their faces in the poop they won't know why you're upset they shit on the carpet.

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Post by pianoben »

szundi wrote: post #610
seabrookmx wrote: post #495

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C# is great. Also VS Code.. how many Microsoft haters on HN daily drive it? I'd have to assume quite a few! The Remote SSH extension has been a game changer for how I do development.

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Those are two separate products that were developed independently. Both use Electron and are text-editors, but that's where the similarity ends.

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

garbagecoder wrote: post #431
jsiepkes wrote: post #265

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> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. You mean the products Microsoft created when it became apparent they were losing the lawsuit about their embrace, extend extinguish tactics with J++ and their custom Java implementation. And also had to cough up billions of dollars in a settlement with Sun [1]. [1] https://www.infoworld.com/article/2667124/update--sun--micro...

I hate Microsoft as much as your average Gen X tech nerd, but C# is good. I don't care what inspired them to do it.

C# is great. If only they hadn't made it windows only from the get go there might be a huge ecosystem supporting it instead of java.
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