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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 908B64B197 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #94
AraceliHarker wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simply put, people don't love Edge as much as they love Chrome. The browser bundled with Windows 11 is naturally Edge, but users who use Chrome install Chrome of their own volition, so forcing them to open links in Edge is extremely annoying.

I don't use either chrome or edge but why would I use a clone instead of the real thing? I never understood why Microsoft thought cloning chrome was a good thing for adoption. Edge is just chrome now but with some annoying bloat like the coupon pop-ups and pay later scams.

Previous Edge was a complete refactor of IE with a brand new js engine. Extremely lightweight and low power compared to Chrome. Their goal was to be 100% compatible with the modern web.

Google started breaking pages as soon as it detected it was running on Edge and not Chrome. Simply changing the user-agent string magically repaired the pages. So MS gave up and forked Chrome.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by nickjj »

CharlesW wrote: post #544
nickjj wrote: post #456

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The sharing aspect has already been done. It still doesn't show the details in the mini-view where you insert the person's name as a guest which is the most important time to see such information. You just see a big chunk of red with no details. You don't even see things like "busy". It's just a solid red color.

> The sharing aspect has already been done. The key is that there are 5 permission levels: (1) None, (2) Can view when I'm busy, (3) Can view titles and locations, (4) Can view all details, and (5) Can edit. Is that too much control? Maybe, but it's helpful when you want to share more details with teammates than you do with others, grant admins edit permissions, etc.

All of us have it set to (4) to view all details.

But nope, it doesn't show any details in the mini view when inviting someone to an event.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by hospitalJail »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #557
hospitalJail wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>walled garden Walled garden is marketing speak. You should not use it.

Fair enough; what is the recommended term that is applicable?

Here are some

>Closed ecosystem

>Restricted platform

>Proprietary systems

>Walled Prison/Jail(this has negative bias, but may fit depending on the context)

>Curated platform

I'm sure you can get objective phrases from chatgpt too.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by stinkytaco »

bobthepanda wrote: post #584
tempodox wrote: post #564

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Obviously their dark patterns are not sufficient to drive away enough users and this has been the case for decades. Nothing new to see here, it's the same old Microsoft of yore.

I mean with desktop OS systems you've got * macs, which cost an arm and a leg and aren't necessarily better if you've got an axe to grind against corporations with dark patterns * chromebooks, where you have even less choice over the matter * various flavors of Linux, which have never quite gotten to 'grandma uses it and it just works with the apps she likes' Interestingly SteamOS is quite nice, but will it be someth…

> Interestingly SteamOS is quite nice, but will it be something outside of gaming on a Steam Deck?

Considering their website[1] still says it's Debian derived but they switched to Arch some time ago, I doubt it's in their plans to do more than enable their own hardware.

[1]: https://store.steampowered.com/steamos

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by hospitalJail »

lxgr wrote: post #441
hospitalJail wrote: post #391

When trying to get GPT Bing, I let Microsoft set the defaults like they insisted. It was such an awful experience. >desktop ads >Edge opens, edge ads >Bing default browser, ads >start menu ads More on their products: >Sharepoint, 3 different versions, terrible documentation. Impossible to develop for when you have forum posts describing different software with the same name. >Power Automate, No I don't want drag and…

I also recently installed Edge (on macOS) to give BinGPT a try and almost couldn't believe what I saw. Ads, coupons, rewards everywhere... It truly felt like being transported to the darkest times of the late 90s/early 2000s, with multiple adware toolbars cluttering the IE user interface.

This was their opportunity to drag people away from Chrome and Google search, I remember the craze of people making jokes about the death of google and how they are trying edge/Bing.

Then they shot themselves in the foot with ads.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by AlexandrB »

lxgr wrote: post #441
hospitalJail wrote: post #391

When trying to get GPT Bing, I let Microsoft set the defaults like they insisted. It was such an awful experience. >desktop ads >Edge opens, edge ads >Bing default browser, ads >start menu ads More on their products: >Sharepoint, 3 different versions, terrible documentation. Impossible to develop for when you have forum posts describing different software with the same name. >Power Automate, No I don't want drag and…

I also recently installed Edge (on macOS) to give BinGPT a try and almost couldn't believe what I saw. Ads, coupons, rewards everywhere... It truly felt like being transported to the darkest times of the late 90s/early 2000s, with multiple adware toolbars cluttering the IE user interface.

Anyone remember "Signature Edition" PCs[1] that would ship without vendor crapware? I can't tell if this was Microsoft trying to make room for their own crapware or they just gave up on this idea and decided "if you can't beat them, join them".

[1] https://www.maketecheasier.com/microsoft-windows-10-signatur...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by beerpls »

ghostly_s wrote: post #586
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

It’s not just about trust, MS is outright hostile.

Hostile UI, hostile business practices, hostile legal and growth endeavors

At this point i’m not hust distrusting MS i’m actively doing anything I can to support their demise

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by grey_earthling »

happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for.

They stand for weary resignation. Same as Google and Amazon.

For most people, they're just there, and you can't not use them, so what can you do?

They can be as dodgy as they like, because when you point out what they're doing, most people will just be confused about why you're complaining, because you may as well be railing against the fact that rain is wet.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by ubermonkey »

dustedcodes wrote: post #453
ubermonkey wrote: post #342

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That's an absurd comparison. Web tools are always going to be weak vs. locally executing tools. I've never seen one that I prefer to a native equivalent.

> Web tools are always going to be weak vs. locally executing tools. I've never seen one that I prefer to a native equivalent. Sure, that's a fact which I don't dispute, but that doesn't mean that writing a word document in your browser should be such a bad experience that you really just want to use the web version for viewing documents, which is the absurd thing to which I responded. See, what you say is true, but…

I don't. I expect MSFT to make a hash of it, and to do so in an environment (a browser) that I've never found equal to the task of "getting out of the way and letting me write."

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by vxNsr »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #571
vxNsr wrote: post #411

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Let me preface this by saying, I don’t work for Microsoft but have used their suite for a long time. Nearly everything you’re complaining about can be changed in settings. Either by you or the IT Admin.

Do you know what setting I need to use to enable deleting emails without first archiving and un-archiving them?

That sounds like something your admin enabled. I’ve never seen that.
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