It sometimes impossible open Gmail on Edge browser, it resets to HTML version and I can’t do anything. Last time I had to upgrade and restart Edge. Anyone has similar experience?
MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You're talking about this like Microsoft ever did anything differently than what you wrote? Since when have they focused 100% on just building great products and competing fairly? They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. But you need to remember your org charts; the Edge and Windows 11 decision-makers are not the same people with the same incentives.
> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. And typescript!
And Azure. But aside from C#, .Net, Typescript, and Azure, what have Romans done for us?
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#493I think this is being wrongly frame. This functionality is actually needed in highly regulated industries like banking or government. Which is, you need a way to secure how your employees are accessing information. And when everything is moving to becoming a cloud document (or document hosted on the cloud), not being able to have control over the browser in which that information is viewed with is a huge threat vecto…
> So if you're an organization that need these higher level security controls, this is actually what you want.
I don't think that explanation makes sense. Let's say I'm an organization that needs these higher level security controls, but I want to push everything to be opened in Chrome instead. (Because I think that Chrome is more secure, or whatever.) Well, is this going to help me, or is it going to fight me? Can I make this work with anything, or is it Edge only?
I'm betting it's Edge only. And that makes the whole argument suspect.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
Teams is a non-standard product to me who has used various chat programs over the years. It does some things okay, but I still want to go back to lync (skype for business). The features I use are worse than competition, and there are features I don't use that are annoying.
> features I use are worse than competition, and there are features I don't use that are annoying I hate Teams. I hate Meet. But they work with basically zero training. You have to pick your battles, and successful businesses choose theirs in core competencies.
> But they work with basically zero training.
I must be a fucking idiot then, because no amount of engaging with it ever got me past "what the fuck, where did everything go, why is that there, how do I do X, why did it do Y when I did Z?" One of the most confusing programs I've ever used. Up there with some very-painful-learning-curve video games (think: Paradox games)
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#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. You mean the products Microsoft created when it became apparent they were losing the lawsuit about their embrace, extend extinguish tactics with J++ and their custom Java implementation. And also had to cough up billions of dollars in a settlement with Sun [1]. [1] https://www.infoworld.com/article/2667124/update--sun--micro...
I hate Microsoft as much as your average Gen X tech nerd, but C# is good. I don't care what inspired them to do it.
C# is great. Also VS Code.. how many Microsoft haters on HN daily drive it? I'd have to assume quite a few!
The Remote SSH extension has been a game changer for how I do development.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#496I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…
> Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't.
Until very recently you couldn't even change the default browser on iOS, I think the idea Apple are playing "fairier" than Microsoft is a lot more nuanced than you make it seem with this statement.
Even after adding ability to change default browser to iOS, there's still the limitation that only the webkit rendering engine provided by Apple can be used - Firefox and Chrome on iOS are wrappers around the OS level Webkit implementation - the rendering engine is still Safari/webkit - they aren't using their own rendering engines as they do on all other OSes.
There's also the agreement between Apple and Google for default search on iOS too, which absolutely costs Bing marketshare.
> https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/01/web-developers-challenge-appl...
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so? Because they sort of open source the tech and made it possible to build for other platforms? C# is a great language taking over the advances of Java and C/++ making things a bit better, but intentions didn't make it any better: owning the devs. VScode? A rebuild of Atom, "free" with un-disable-able telemetry with the same intention: owning the devs Buy out of github, owning the devs Rebuild of ms office for t…
> Rebuild of ms office for the web: owning users given gsuite was seriously taking over office use And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice.
> And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice.
If you don't mind me asking: what is better about o365? I know that Excel is the jewel in the Office crown, but if you aren't leaning on that heavily, what's the big difference to you?
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#498Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…
Encarta 96 was incredible.
Spent countless hours on it as a child. I didn't even really know English.
"Flight mode" was a lovely curiosity at that time. Example from Encarta 98, but I thought 96 also had it.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
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Umm, MS Teams on Adroid forced me to install Edge to open links. Even the copy action pushes "haha, we wont give away this link you moron" (in corp speak) to the clipboard.
I use Teams on my phone regularly and have never seen this happen. Clicking on a link takes me to the web page without any problems, even in my default browser which is Firefox.
I think they are using a dark pattern now. I opened a link in Outlook (Android) after a recent update and I got a popup to open with Edge. I didn't have Edge installed so I was confused for a moment. Just below the big colorful edge icon was (a much less visually prominent) option to open in my default browser.
If I hadn't been paying attention, I would have thought that they were forcing me to install Edge too.
Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry
#500Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think he means the newer versions of the stack, from the release of .NET Core 1 in 2016 and onward.
Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.
Aside from the cost of licensing Windows which makes small-sized non-Windows VMs cheaper, there's been a strong pro-Linux bias in academia for a long time that nobody likes to talk about.