Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

kslnewsradio.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

731–740 of 1001 posts

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#731

Post by maerF0x0 »

freedomben wrote: post #708
maerF0x0 wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what about parents who want to view porn but don't want their kids to That was specifically addressed in my post. Temporary disable. Remember that safe guards dont have to be perfect before being implemented. They just need to be better than the status quo. The status quo right now is 10 year old kids viewing porn and thinking that's what average intimate loving relationships look like.

Yeah the temporary disable isn't my complaint. That's not the worst part. My criticism is the system in place after the parent has made the choice. As a parent, do you choose your own freedom or to protect your children? Most will choose the latter and basically have to choose "abstinence" for themselves for many years. It's a pretty sucky choice to have to make given that such an artificial and unneccesary choice is…

My point was at the moment of choosing they could either open the entire connection to $CONTENT or open the device (MAC address, DHCP assigned IP) up (afaik most ISPs control the router too) for traffic to those sites.

What I'm suggesting does not require abstinence from those who have the password.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#732

Post by jeroenhd »

wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> "nipple of the female breast"

IANAL, but what would happen if you took a picture of a male nipple and used that to censor the female nipple? Would it be okay?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#733

Post by ssnistfajen »

tristor wrote: post #512
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

Hyperbole much? Comparing Utah to the Middle East is a bit disingenuous.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#734

Post by freedomben »

throwaway743 wrote: post #535
GoofballJones wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of se…

It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

I agree generally that there is some serious puritanical roots in the US that are still at heavy play today. But there must be more to what's happening than just that. in other threads it's bewing shown that many European countries and Canada are passing similar laws. Puritanical roots of Europe?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#735

Post by haldujai »

BadThink6655321 wrote: post #534
xdennis wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s because they want to look out for children The issue is that it's _their_ job to look out for their children. We don't force all beds to have "walls", and give adults the keys to lower them if they show proof of age. Parents are supposed to buy _cribs_ for their children.

Just recently a black child, who was born at home with jaundice, was taken from the parents to be given care in a hospital, because a doctor didn’t think the parents would provide effective treatment. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/temecia-rodney-mila-jackson-ret...

It's unequivocal that the state has the right and obligation to intervene in cases of child neglect/abuse (which refusal or inability to provide necessary medical care is an example of) and is easily evidenced by the existence of agencies like the Child Protective Services or Children's Aid Society.

It is completely unnecessary to state the child's ethnicity to make this point which is entirely irrelevant to the argument you are attempting to make.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#736

Post by phatboyslim »

Pornography, social media, 24/7 news... will all be looked back on in history as having profound negative mental health effects, akin to how we today view smoking in the 1950s. There is a mountain of growing evidence that this is verifiably true. The exact means that Utah is using to provide ID check may be for debate, but the concept there should be an age restriction, liable to the ISP or the content provider, should not be in dispute.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#737

Post by rchaud »

themitigating wrote: post #195
deet wrote: post #138

For those who think this is just a Utah peculiarity, it's not. There have been attempts in Europe: - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-porn-ban-digital-economy-... - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/germany-porn-laws-age-checks And its quite related to other pushes for age verification for social media services, as Utah and states like California have proposed: - https://www.axios.com/2022/09/16/california-law-websit…

Proposed and enacted are a big difference. A single lawmaker can suggest or put forward a bill for anything. The majority voting to make it law is a huge barrier

it's aggregated though,because data is only valuable in volume. Showing ID every time you visit a site is significantly more identifiable at the individual level.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#738

Post by PathOfEclipse »

tristor wrote: post #512
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

> is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority.

You should look up what the word theocracy means. Here. I'll do it for you: "a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god."

Utah's government is a constitutional Republic. People vote in leaders who make laws and administer the government on their behalf.

> Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

Your unequivocally false, deceitful, and extremely hyperbolic statements aren't helping anyone out.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#739

Post by yamtaddle »

gnicholas wrote: post #714
uncletammy wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request. How does this work with picking up prescription medication?

The only time I've been asked for an ID at a pharmacy was for non-prescription sudafed. I've picked up many prescriptions for myself and my family, and they have never asked for ID.

Same, I pick up prescriptions for myself, my kids, and my wife, all the time. I can't recall ever being ID'd, and I'm certainly I'm not usually asked for ID. Maybe it varies state-by-state?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

#740

Post by throwaway743 »

tivert wrote: post #563
throwaway743 wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

> It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really. It's worth noting that the reactionary response to that (e.g. porn is good and totally healthy and everything bad said about it is fake news) is also nonsense.

You're absolutely right, but the issue is more nuanced than simply "porn is good" or "porn is bad.". The root of the problem lies in the fact that the discussion around sex and sex health in the US is often clouded by puritanical beliefs and an aversion to discussing these topics in an open and honest manner. This typically leads to a lack of comprehensive sex education and the stigmatization of porn, which has never done anyone any good. As a country, we need to be more open and honest about sex, and recognize that censorship and puritanical attitudes have no place in shaping our laws or social norms.
Post reply on HN