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Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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Many of the subjects of Streetsblog's "criminal mischief" (defaced or obscured plates) are vehicles displaying NYPD parking permits. This problem won't get solved until someone besides the police is tasked with fixing it, at least in NYC.

I've long suggested that the idea of a singular policing arm is, itself, inherently problematic.

Separation of powers is the key to a functioning government, and should be for the policing arm of the executive. Peace officers should obviously be tasked with the day-to-day of the policing.

However, enforcement of policing rules (within the executive branch) should come from a separate meta-police force based in the judicial branch, confirmed (and impeached/removed) by the legislative branch. This meta-police force would have full policing powers, but their jurisdiction would only extend to peace officers and members of the policing or district attorney's hierarchy.

Basically, you could rob a bank in front of these meta-police, and they could do nothing, but they could fully investigate a police officer accused of intentionally obscuring their plates, or unequally enforcing the law against folks with police benevolent society cards.

The idea that the executive branch, alone, can act, to me, is crazy. The Judicial branch is supposed to care about justice. They should have a limited arm to act much like the legislative branch has a limited arm to enforce subpoenas without the executive.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#152
post #8

As I understand New York state requires car inspections every 12 months. Do they not fail that due to unreadable license plates? Where I am in Europe if you even have a screw in a place that could potentially confuse a camera it will fail the inspection.

Enforcement on car inspections is lax. You might receive additional citations or an increased fine for having an expired inspection, but a lot of New York drivers (who I assume are not unique) will simply ignore tickets or pretend that they never received them (which is easy when they frequently come in the form of a letter tucked under your wiper, rather than a digital record). There are plenty of cars in my neighbo…

Aside: I thought there was some sort of requirement that NYPD officers must live inside the city?

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#153

I'm not using fake, but I've got temp tags on my new car that I've not bothered to fix yet. They've been expired for about a year now. Real plates are sitting at the dealership. Urgency level is one of "maybe when I go to get my oil changed". Not sure how exactly I wound up feeling this way about administrative matters, but here we are. Tempting authorities with punitive options over pedantic crap is the extra spice…

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Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enforcement on car inspections is lax. You might receive additional citations or an increased fine for having an expired inspection, but a lot of New York drivers (who I assume are not unique) will simply ignore tickets or pretend that they never received them (which is easy when they frequently come in the form of a letter tucked under your wiper, rather than a digital record). There are plenty of cars in my neighbo…

Aside: I thought there was some sort of requirement that NYPD officers must live inside the city?

Nope: most NYC civil servants are required to live in the city, but the police are allowed to live in the neighboring suburbs[1]. The majority live outside of the city[2], with most commuting in by car (and then parking on the sidewalks of the neighborhoods they ostensibly serve[3]).

[1]: https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-hir...

[2]: https://gothamist.com/news/majority-nypd-officers-dont-live-...

[3]: https://twitter.com/NYPD_Parking

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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post #149

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Someone was just shot for accidentally getting into the wrong car. It's not unusual around here to have a row of identical cars in, e.g., a Walmart parking lot. How do you propose people recognize their own vehicles if the license plate numbers are constantly changing?

bumper stickers, custom paint jobs, or just not buying identical cars in the first place? this seems like an absurdly self-inflicted problem if you're banging your head on the wall and it hurts, you could stop?

Well, that's a nicely dismissive answer!

So your suggestion is that people avoid purchasing cars that happen to be very popular in their general area and if they can't (or won't) avoid that, paint it differently or affix bumper stickers?

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I used to have a neighbor who didn't even know that his car was stolen until he got a call from the police at 6AM. It's not like they towed it back to his house, but at least he was aware of where it was.

A friend had their car stolen in St. Louis. Police did nothing, even though the location of the vehicle was known and the person who stole it was identified. When police did nothing, eventually the owner recovered the car themself when they found it abandoned. They got it repaired and reported it not-stolen. 3 months later they got pulled over and dragged out of the car at gunpoint, handcuffed, arrested, etc. For ste…

It's just an anecdote, but living in the same place where the incident I mentioned earlier happened, I was really surprised when I called in a report that I had seen my bicycle, reported stolen weeks before, being ridden in a certain neighborhood and not only did they send over a police officer to take a statement, he actually tracked it down and brought it back with suspect in the back of his car.

Unfortunately, it turned out not to be my bike: just same make/model/color with a bike shop sticker in the same location as mine.

And this in a city that at the time had a county-wide reputation for high crime.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

#158
post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bumper stickers, custom paint jobs, or just not buying identical cars in the first place? this seems like an absurdly self-inflicted problem if you're banging your head on the wall and it hurts, you could stop?

Well, that's a nicely dismissive answer! So your suggestion is that people avoid purchasing cars that happen to be very popular in their general area and if they can't (or won't) avoid that, paint it differently or affix bumper stickers?

yeah, if you're such a timid conformist that you literally can't tell your car apart from someone else's, i don't see why anyone should care what happens to you

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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post #99

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>People are murdering less than a few decades ago Check your stats, this is quickly becoming outdated. Murder rates are back up where they were in the 90's in many parts of the USA.

This source sorta confirms it: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd...

where's the post-2020 data?

for major cities it is here: https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80...

a personal anecdote on issues with crime data:

the old truck i've got got broken into and the ignition got punched out and someone tried to steal it, but even though it is a 2000 it has an immobilizer so they weren't successful. i didn't bother reporting it. it was way under my insurance deductible and the cops aren't going to do anything due to a few hundred bucks of property damage. that incident won't appear in any statistics.

declining levels of relatively minor crime may reflect growing awareness that reporting it to the police is just a waste of everyone's time.

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