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Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I am absolutely not a fan of fixed or hidden speed cameras, but red light cameras are legitimately good because you have zero reason or excuse to go through a red or speed through an intersection.

Avoiding an accident is always a valid reason for breaking a traffic law. For example, on a two lane road I'll move into the left lane if there's a cyclist on the right shoulder, if the left lane is clear. As for a red light, my pedal will be to the metal if my buddy is bleeding out in the passenger seat. Is that far-fetched? It happened to a friend of mine at Boeing. He didn't get his friend to the hospital in time.

I am a volunteer EMT who has run thousands of calls.

If someone is "bleeding out" in that they have an uncontrolled hemorrhage driving faster is never the preferred option.

Generally speaking there are two types of hemorrhage:

1. Those that can be controlled through direct pressure and the body's clotting ability.

2. Those that cannot be controlled through direct pressure and the body's clotting ability.

If the hemorrhage is type 1 the best course of action is to calm down, slow down, and apply direct pressure while the patient is immobile until the bleeding stops. Driving fast will only stress the patient and may possibly lead to additional bleeding through jostling or poor application of direct pressure. Once the bleeding has stopped you can travel to the hospital at a reasonable and prudent speed.

If the hemorrhage is type 2 the only course of action is to apply a tourniquet. Once the tourniquet is applied you can proceed to the hospital at a safe pace. It is impossible to drive fast enough to save someone with an uncontrollable hemorrhage unless you are within 180-to-300 seconds of a hospital. A tourniquet can be anything, including a shoelace, belt, or torn-up shirt.

Even if the hemorrhage is a type that cannot be stopped by a tourniquet or pressure, like a chest wound, driving faster will likely not help because without applying an occlusive bandage to the wound(s) the patient will likely be dead in minutes. An occlusive bandage is any airtight barrier, like a piece of plastic, that can create a seal needed to allow for adequate respiration.

In all cases treating for shock is more important than speed. For non-EMS personnel the only preventative measures for shock are: stop bleeding, wrap patient to retain body heat, and place patient in a position of comfort.

When it comes to bleeding driving faster without basic interventions does little-to-nothing to improve the outcome for the patient, and a lot to increase the chances of creating more than one patient.

Driving faster than is reasonable is called "diesel therapy" and the only times I have used that is for breech presentations during childbirth, which are also the only times I've heard my paramedic sound scared and we've run some gnarly calls.

If you come across someone who has amputated their leg with a chainsaw and you are five minutes from the hospital at maximum speed and EMS is 30 minutes away, it is better to lie the patient down, keep them still, apply a tourniquet to the appendage, do whatever is necessary to warm them (including putting them in an idling car, preferably lying down, with the heater at maximum), and call 911 than it is to throw them in a car and drive fast.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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until about 20 years ago license plates were a reasonable compromise between privacy and accountability: they didn't have your name on them, and looking you up from the number could only be done by the police, who would only do it when it seemed important, and then only if someone made a note of the plate they couldn't, for example, make a list of everyone who was parked near a protest, and then search a database to…

I believe we need to move to e ink (or similar tech) based licence plates. The numbers would change every few minutes but still would be cryptographically tied to an owner if you both have a time stamp and a proper decryption key. The idea would be that if you had the proper authorization (police, DMV, etc) and a time stamp you could see the owner of a vehicle, but it would hinder 3rd party private alpr dragnet syste…

Someone was just shot for accidentally getting into the wrong car.

It's not unusual around here to have a row of identical cars in, e.g., a Walmart parking lot. How do you propose people recognize their own vehicles if the license plate numbers are constantly changing?

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I don't get this line of reasoning. A police officer doesn't need to be present for code enforcement (ie. property inspections etc..). A police officer doesn't need to be present for parking enforcement. A police officer doesn't need to be present for toll fee collection enforcement. Why should police then be present when violating traffic rules? What makes speeding or running a red light so meaningfully special that…

It's obvious--automated enforcement is effective and consistent, and drivers are used to breaking the rules because human enforcement is neither of those things.

Also increasing the cost of enforcement is a good way to get less of it. mjevans clearly just doesn't want more traffic enforcement.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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Sorry, but do the police actually use these powers to arrest thieves and return stolen vehicles? Or is it like when you can point to the house that your stolen iPhone is in and the police say they can't do anything.

Exactly. No they do not use these powers to return stolen cars. Stolen cars only get returned very extremely rarely and only if it's convenient for the police. They don't lift an extra finger to recover stolen property.

I used to have a neighbor who didn't even know that his car was stolen until he got a call from the police at 6AM. It's not like they towed it back to his house, but at least he was aware of where it was.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I'm not using fake, but I've got temp tags on my new car that I've not bothered to fix yet. They've been expired for about a year now. Real plates are sitting at the dealership. Urgency level is one of "maybe when I go to get my oil changed". Not sure how exactly I wound up feeling this way about administrative matters, but here we are. Tempting authorities with punitive options over pedantic crap is the extra spice…

I did this for a while too. I'd suggest actually keeping the plates in the vehicle with you. Some grumpy highway patrol can decide to tow the vehicle unless you fix it then and there. Some may do it anyway. Each state has different time limits for ticket vs tow/impound.

And in some of them driving with expired registration is a misdemeanor. Hardly seems worth risking having to pay a lawyer, court costs, plus the time & aggravation versus just getting the plates.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I’m not an old person, but I know I’m going to sound like a curmudgeon saying this. I think it’s just moral decay. I can’t think of any other meaningful reason. In Phoenix, which I consider the national capitol of bad drivers, in the span of less than 10 years, I’ve noticed a staggering number of people in the metro area who just blatantly run red lights now. Sometimes seconds after they’ve turned. It’s straight up r…

I was taught to always assure that the drivers on the cross street are stopping, and its saved me a couple times, particularly in the rain when people think their car will continue to brake in 10' despite the roads now being covered with a mixture of oil, tire sludge and water which is almost as slick as ice. But, yes I find myself not having a lot of respect for much of traffic control these days, when the cities ca…

> when the cities can't be bothered to even make the lights flash at 3 AM

I live in a rural area where, as you can expect, traffic is very light. It was an absolute godsend when all the turn arrows changed from red/green to red/green/yield on flashing yellow. The frustration of sitting at a red turn signal when you could see that there was no oncoming traffic for a mile down the road was palpable, but cops are very good at hiding.

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I paid 700 bucks at a red light camera in the middle of an empty intersection at 2pm on a Saturday in Culver City, CA. It came out of nowhere. It felt like an obvious money grab

Did you run the red just because it was quiet, or do you normally just run reds?

Yeah I normally run red lights. I’m trying to fight the system. It definitely wasn’t because I was taking the GRE the following monday and I wanted to scope the place out. I like the stress of my parents getting a ticket in my life.

Also a couple months after, then Culver City stopped the red light traffic camera program

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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Traffic enforcement should REQUIRE a police officer to be physically present at the time of the incident OR a retroactive issue related to an accident that happened. The officer's presence would encourage safer driving at problematic intersections.

I don't get this line of reasoning. A police officer doesn't need to be present for code enforcement (ie. property inspections etc..). A police officer doesn't need to be present for parking enforcement. A police officer doesn't need to be present for toll fee collection enforcement. Why should police then be present when violating traffic rules? What makes speeding or running a red light so meaningfully special that…

A person has to be present for all of those things - at least, if you want them to stand up to even the most casual challenge in a court of law.

The Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution requires that to be the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confrontation_Clause

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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I believe we need to move to e ink (or similar tech) based licence plates. The numbers would change every few minutes but still would be cryptographically tied to an owner if you both have a time stamp and a proper decryption key. The idea would be that if you had the proper authorization (police, DMV, etc) and a time stamp you could see the owner of a vehicle, but it would hinder 3rd party private alpr dragnet syste…

Someone was just shot for accidentally getting into the wrong car. It's not unusual around here to have a row of identical cars in, e.g., a Walmart parking lot. How do you propose people recognize their own vehicles if the license plate numbers are constantly changing?

bumper stickers, custom paint jobs, or just not buying identical cars in the first place?

this seems like an absurdly self-inflicted problem

if you're banging your head on the wall and it hurts, you could stop?

Re: More Americans are using fake license plates

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Exactly. No they do not use these powers to return stolen cars. Stolen cars only get returned very extremely rarely and only if it's convenient for the police. They don't lift an extra finger to recover stolen property.

I used to have a neighbor who didn't even know that his car was stolen until he got a call from the police at 6AM. It's not like they towed it back to his house, but at least he was aware of where it was.

A friend had their car stolen in St. Louis. Police did nothing, even though the location of the vehicle was known and the person who stole it was identified. When police did nothing, eventually the owner recovered the car themself when they found it abandoned. They got it repaired and reported it not-stolen. 3 months later they got pulled over and dragged out of the car at gunpoint, handcuffed, arrested, etc. For stealing their own car.

Edit: My point is, police will absolutely arrest someone driving a stolen car. They love to arrest people, that's their main business. Recovering property isn't their main business and they actively avoid it. Generally police will not go to a specific location to recover a vehicle that's been stolen but now is sitting in someone's driveway, for example. I'm sure there are exceptions but I am fairly confident that stolen car recovery is rare and generally happens only if they catch someone actively driving around with the stolen car and the same license plates which have been recorded as belonging to a stolen vehicle.

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