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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by erenyeager »

wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

Nothing wrong with government wanting people to wear burkas and cover up some more, it’s part of respectful and dignified society. Maybe don’t insult and denigrate modesty and other cultures next time.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jbar32 »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #628
GoofballJones wrote: post #523

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Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of se…

Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system should not be allowed to kids. Gambling, tiktok & smartphones in general, porn, drugs etc. We used to have shame as a societal mechanism to deal with these issues. It was shameful to be an alcoholic, which was how alcoholism was kept in check. The same way it was shameful in ancient Greece to surrender to your carnal urges. Shame is disappearing. Our societies are goin…

> Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system

This is far too broad, just because something could be used for evil is not enough to ban it for all children. What about TVs? Candy? Stimulating toys? I think all of these can have negative outcomes when abused, but that isn't enough for me to say all children should not access them.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by themitigating »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #516
themitigating wrote: post #130

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Why?

Why what? Try posting a comment with more than a word or two if you want a meaningful discussion.

Why is it not interently protected speech?

If you are going to make exceptions to the first admendment for safety can you prove the danger explicitly?

Why not the 2nd admendment?

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

least wrote: post #285
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #167

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> In a physical store, you can show the clerk your ID, they'll verify the birthdate, sell you the "secret item", and then forget your name & face the instant they move to the next customer. This is not exactly correct. The clerk might, but not the database the card was scanned into. Depending on the secret item such as certain OTC medications, alcohol, tobacco, the information is not forgotten but kept for an extende…

This depends on what you're buying and where. In Virginia we have an ABC (Alcholic Beverage Control) which is the only place you can buy spirits. They do scan your ID. The grocery store does not. The restaurants do not. The porn shops presumably do not, either. Basically the only other time might be to buy something like sudafed at a pharmacy, but I haven't done so recently enough to know if that's actually scanned a…

> buy something like sudafed at a pharmacy

Anything with pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine requires scanning by US federal mandate.

It is done so the government can capture it across the nation.

I am just saying that there are things that already have the requirements of data collection & retention both at Federal and State level in the USA.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by themitigating »

DrThunder wrote: post #155
themitigating wrote: post #26

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First admendment?

Amendments obviously don't apply to underage citizens. Otherwise, there would be no precedence for stopping children from buying firearms or voting. Saying this is protected speech is ridiculous.

So then the government can arrest children without due process, hold them without trial, charge them with sedition for anti government comments?

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Post by drdaeman »

theptip wrote: post #333
taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

+1 for teaching lawmakers how to achieve their goals at the protocol layer. Imagine how much better the web would be if cookie consent was a browser protocol on top of HTTP headers. This is the Obviously Correct solution, they just needed to work with browser vendors to make it happen. I’d rather you have websites support a generic cryptographically-secure claim schema for ages (implementable in any signed token the…

> Imagine how much better the web would be if cookie consent was a browser protocol on top of HTTP headers.

Imagine how much better the web would be if the browsers would have a built-in ability to accept or reject cookies on a per-site basis... oh, wait, they do. And had that since forever (or at least IE5). Almost no one used that because it was obnoxious to have a popup on every website. So browser vendors moved those settings to the farthest corners of the most obscure configuration dialogs... and then the politicians brought those prompts back (but in a crappy, non-standardized, not-even-working way).

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Post by wkat4242 »

intrasight wrote: post #595
wkat4242 wrote: post #382

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Then don't watch it. Let us have ours.

Which, in case it wasn't clear, is exactly what I'm saying. What harms my soul differs from what harms your soul. The government should not be in the business of preventing the harm to one soul.

Ah ok sorry for my misunderstanding. In that case we are in agreement.

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Post by OoOOo »

chefandy wrote: post #213
doitLP wrote: post #142

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It’s much better in the US than in Australia, where there are only a few IP exit points for the whole country. It largely has to do with ISP. My IP resolves to a few feet in front of my house.

My home ISP usually resolves to within 15 miles but my mobile often resolves to NYC which is across two state borders and almost 150 miles away. If I'm looking for something at Home Depot or whatnot it always sets my store location to Manhattan. Probably good for confusing trackers.

Exactly

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jfk13 »

basisword wrote: post #227
taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

Where are you based? I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks. Deliveroo require that riders verify your age but in reality they just ask you to type it in. And the major grocery stores deliver alcohol without any obvious checking too. I imagine teenage drinking is much easier these days thanks to the above :)

> I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks

Using your UK credit card? If so, that's an age check in itself.

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Post by robertlagrant »

brookst wrote: post #461
robertlagrant wrote: post #385

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> it justifies restricting speech for everyone I don't believe everyone considers pornography to be speech, let alone practices it as speech.

Well, the US Supreme Court considers pornography to be speech[1]. And it turns out that restrictions on speech are unconstitutional independently of whether you want to exercise that particular speech. If a law is passed prohibiting discussion of mohair rugs, it infringes on my free speech even if I have no intention of discussing mohair rugs. 1. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=101895573599950...

I know, I know. Well, I think it's silly that anything image or video-based is speech, but I was still being facetious.
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