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Post by NotYourLawyer »

brookst wrote: post #135
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not aware of any cases holding that distribution of pornography to minors is protected speech, but I’d be happy to be educated if you have one.

There are several precedents that say restrictions based on content must be evaluated using strict scrutiny, which means the restrictions must be as narrow as possible to achieve the government's interests. See for instance Ashcroft v. ACLU: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/377/ashcroft-v-...

Objection, non-responsive.

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Post by dwallin »

nathan_compton wrote: post #550
Retric wrote: post #542

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It very much lines up with the historical context. In Hammurabi's Code fathers could literally sell their kids into slavery. This seems strange, shouldn’t society protect kids? But it turns out that’s a relatively recent idea, instead there were rules around what happens when both parents die but children were plentiful and many where injured or even killed by their parents without consequence.

Ah yes, who doesn't want to return to the good old days of the code of Hammurabi.

I do believe it is quite clearly a rebuttal to the following overreaching statement:

> At basically no point in history has it been the case that the sole responsibility for the well being of children lay entirely with the parents.

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Post by freedomben »

millzlane wrote: post #631
Osiris wrote: post #437

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My son runs a vpn to get around my dns enforced fillers. I’ve tried to block vpns but he still finds a way.

You don't block the VPN, you take away his admin access.

Your overconfidence just got you hacked by your son because taking away the admin access did nothing. The kid just installed a scummy Chrome plugin that gives him a "free" VPN (I say "free" because it's surely logging everything he does) and it works directly from chrome. no admin needed. Source: my son did this to me

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Post by YellOh »

Brendinooo wrote: post #462
sophacles wrote: post #423

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How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

What does society do to solve the peanut problem? Outside of schools, it seems totally on the parent to stop the kid from eating peanuts. The parent does the grocery shopping, asks the right questions when taking the kid to a restaurant, and lets friends/other caregivers know not to give peanuts to the child.

People do "make changes" for specific allergies & food restrictions by making the information available & creating some allergen-free zones (just like adult content is currently kept out of schools and family-friendly locations, and there are adult-content warnings most times) but peanut access is absolutely currently up to the parent, in general.

I'm not even sure what the billboard thing is getting at. We shouldn't have nudity on billboards (except female breasts in nonsexual contexts), just like we shouldn't keep peanuts where we know anyone allergic has to be. Counter-hypothetical: it would be incredibly stupid to lock up peanut butter because kids might take a $5 bill to the store and buy the clearly-labelled jar.

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Post by freedomben »

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #619
tenacious_tuna wrote: post #520

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tldr: if your kid keeps breaking the rules, ramping up enforcement is not going to change that for the same reasons that punitive punishment in the judicial system is not effective. Your kid has to understand why the rules are if they're ever going to function well within them, and that also requires a level of parental compassion and understanding that often isn't present. > If your son keeps braking the rules you'v…

I support the education driven approach, but I still think there is room for content filtering. In the next few years, I hope turning on suite of content rules across platforms will mitigate explicit material from automatically being included in normal content feeds and prevent casual searches for porn. I have no expectations that blocking material from enterprising children will be effective and consider it a more o…

Exactly. I use content controls even though as a kid I easily worked around them. The reason is that it is insanely easy for kid to accidentally stumble upon explicit stuff. The content controls help a lot with that, whether kid is 5 or 15

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Post by Brendinooo »

cmh89 wrote: post #614
Brendinooo wrote: post #531

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It will harm a kid, and asking a website to figure out how to verify an age is far less burdensome than taking PB&Js out of kid lunches.

>It will harm a kid *Citation needed

This sounds like a smart response until you think about the possibility of an academic study researching exposure of minors to hardcore porn. Think that would pass ethical muster?

The fundamental questions are

1. Does porn usage line up with other patterns of addiction?

2. Are similarly addicting things withheld from children because their brains are less equipped to handle it?

If yes to both, then it’s a no-brainer.

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Post by Georgelemental »

laserlight wrote: post #643
Georgelemental wrote: post #618

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I know someone who struggled with porn addiction. The person you replied to admitted to struggling with it. It's real, as an empirically observable fact.

A struggling person finding relief in porn doesn't mean that porn is addictive.

The porn did not "relieve" anything, it was the source of the problem.

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Post by pjlegato »

Brendinooo wrote: post #462
sophacles wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

Writing "produced on equipment that also processes peanuts" on a food label is hardly inconveniencing others.

It's still very much on the parents to prevent harm to their peanut-allergic children.

As an aside, the sharp rise in nut allergies is itself an unintended consequence of another well-meaning attempt at social engineering: about 30 years ago, manufacturers began printing "CHOKING HAZARD: DO NOT FEED NUTS TO CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD" on nut labels. Many parents complied, and that lack of any early exposure to nut proteins resulted in a massive increase in life-threatening nut allergies among children.

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Post by anigbrowl »

r00fus wrote: post #505
xdennis wrote: post #435

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But God forbid you try to buy a kitchen knife! It used to be that you had to show ID at delivery, but now Amazon requires adding ID before the purchase.

Not in my state (CA). I had kitchen knives delivered by Amazon with no additional checks/verification.

Are you ordering from Amazon UK? If not, then this isn't relevant.

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Post by uncletammy »

anigbrowl wrote: post #635
brightball wrote: post #537

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There’s such a strange dichotomy in these conversations. 1. Porn shouldn’t be available to kids and it’s on the vendors legally to ensure that. 2. Porn should be unrestricted, it’s up to parents to do something about it. What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal? If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase y…

2. I don't want to live in a permission society where I have to submit to inspection to do anything. If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase you anymore than verifying your age to buy alcohol. I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request. Corporate vendors (eg supermarkets) still insist on asking my birthdate. I'm in my 50s. Paternalistic attitudes infantiliz…

> I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request.

How does this work with picking up prescription medication?

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