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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by laserlight »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #266
ActorNightly wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

You're equating porn with sexuality. I'm a grown man and I find most of what's on the front page of PornHub to be deeply disturbing. I see racism, misogyny, incest, even simulated assault. In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless. And I don't get what you're suggesting in saying hiding stuff does…

> In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless.

There's evidence that porn reduces the rate of sexual assaults [0].

[0] Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/all-about-sex/2016...

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by mustacheemperor »

dopamean wrote: post #538
mustacheemperor wrote: post #513

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It’s noteworthy to me that in your replies not one single comment links to any research. Multiple comments state point after point as fact with no sources, one comment directly ascribes its entire opinion to an anecdote. In short…I’m not getting the kind of perspective expanding value I often find on HN from this discussion. Just a lot of back and forth from people exchanging the opinions they already had before open…

People rarely link to research on this site or any other. It's a social network. People want to share their opinion and so they do. I cant remember the last reply to a comment I saw on here that actually linked to research.

That's generally true, but one common practice that originally drew me to HN was the frequent use of [#] citations by commenters to support their remarks with external sources. So in replies to a user specifically asking about research and evidence for these risks, it's disappointing for me to not see any research or evidence.

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Post by tivert »

throwaway743 wrote: post #535
GoofballJones wrote: post #523

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Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of se…

It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

> It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

It's worth noting that the reactionary response to that (e.g. porn is good and totally healthy and everything bad said about it is fake news) is also nonsense.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by lesona »

tempsy wrote: post #543
tristor wrote: post #512

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> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

Ehh it's definitely not just the ultra religious conservatives who are raising issues with pornography. I see a lot more "health bro influencer"/Andrew Tate types warn against watching porn because they think it makes people weak minded, which I would agree with when it turns into an addiction and actually impacts your ability to form real life relationships.

You might see a lot of that personally, but the Utah legislature has a dearth of "health bro influencer" types, especially in its Senate.

The chief sponsor of the bill went to BYU.[1] The co-sponsor of the bill went to BYU [2]

[1] https://senate.utah.gov/sen/WEILET/

[2] https://house.utleg.gov/rep/PULSIS/

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by kgwgk »

sophacles wrote: post #423
padobson wrote: post #375

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Is there a mechanism for empowering a polity to protect minors from certain things the polity deems they're not ready for that doesn't rely on arbitrary rules?

How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

Does that apply to all the “bad” things that someone else could do to a child?

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Post by monetus »

armatav wrote: post #549

It’s funny to see half of HN clutch pearls when a segment of society doesn’t want their kids addicted to digital porn. No one’s stopping you; it’s to stop kids from ramping up what might be the most societally acceptable hardcore addiction. There are elected representatives that push for these changes, this is how the society in the US is structured. If you want a different set of rules, get elected or change states.

It’s funny to see half of HN clutch pearls when a segment of society doesn’t want their kids addicted to digital porn.

This is a disenguine, bad faith take on a swathe of commenters, not half of hn. Please don't add to flame wars.

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Post by Mindwipe »

brightball wrote: post #537
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

There’s such a strange dichotomy in these conversations. 1. Porn shouldn’t be available to kids and it’s on the vendors legally to ensure that. 2. Porn should be unrestricted, it’s up to parents to do something about it. What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal? If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase y…

> What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal?

a) It's economically implausible. Age verification is very expensive, and the requirement means that many sites that currently permit adult content will ban it rather than pay for verification (Twitter bans sex workers in Germany rather than pay for verification).

b) It doesn't work - it just pushes audiences to pirate content, because pirate sites don't give a stuff about verification, and don't take down content of individuals distributed without their consent, and steals from content creators.

c) It's not safe - there are multiple instances of systems being breached, which can put the safety of performers and other groups at jeopardy.

d) It enables incredibly bad legislation from political groups who are not benign.

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Post by laserlight »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #476
juve1996 wrote: post #458

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> It's extremely addictive and users become increasingly tolerant to what their viewing, often leading to the development of distressing fetishes or real life intimacy issues. This is a strong claim - please provide a source. I think it may be true, but is it?

The Wikipedia page for pornography addiction lists several good sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_addiction And YourBrainOnPorn gathered together some of the literature about escalation: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/nl/relevant-research-and-art...

Here's the first sentence of the Wikipedia article:

> Pornography addiction is the popular but unscientific[5] application of an addiction model to the use of pornography.

[5] Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2018...

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Post by bobmaxup »

There are already federal regulations around this.

No online entity is legally able to provide minors access to pornography. It is just the nation, as a collective, doesn't care enough to enforce it.

Employing privacy eroding laws to address it via appeals to emotion seems like a slippery slope.

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Post by jdiff »

robertlagrant wrote: post #374
jdiff wrote: post #144

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Don't need an ID to buy a tablet. Or a used phone. Or back in the day, a Nintendo DS or PSP even. I'm sure I still have a PSP Memory Stick around here someone with saucy pixel art stashed away in the bookmarks. This is a genie that hasn't been in a bottle since the internet was born and it won't be put back in one now. At least not like this.

I don't see how that relates to whether or not this is a maximalist approach.

It relates to the question you asked, there's a difference between a physical store and a website, and the difference between uploading a copy of your ID to a porn website and letting a cashier glance at your ID for a moment is substantial. Porn is accessible on the open web. You can't plug all the leaks or even most of them, it's just not possible to put the genie back in its pre-internet bottle. Smut is out there and if sought, it will be found.
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