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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by babypuncher »

afavour wrote: post #217
berkes wrote: post #193

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But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

I suspect any academic study proposing to show pornography to minors is going to get shut down pretty quickly. In my own anecdotal experience I’d say it definitely can be dangerous and depends on a variety of factors, a key one IMO being what kind of pornography we’re even talking about. In my youth we discovered a friends dad nudie mag stash. Lots of glamour photography of topless women, some full nudity too but alw…

Well the state of Utah defines pornography as anything showing a female nipple, so they don't really have any ground to stand on when it comes to defining what is or isn't "harmful".

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Post by Aachen »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #266
ActorNightly wrote: post #212

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Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

You're equating porn with sexuality. I'm a grown man and I find most of what's on the front page of PornHub to be deeply disturbing. I see racism, misogyny, incest, even simulated assault. In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless. And I don't get what you're suggesting in saying hiding stuff does…

Then we should also ban any material that contains violence until there are no more homicides.

Just watching, or even enacting (as in violent games), violence doesn't make them violent beings. Why would this other outlet lead to more real-world sexual assault? I understand why one might think it a priori (without having evidence either way), but we do have evidence: the reality we live in where, to my knowledge, it hasn't gotten more common despite porn having become 100x easier to get by, as well as the research on how virtual violence enactment relates to real-world violent behaviour.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by [deleted] »

Barrin92 wrote: post #349
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

>What's wrong with these people? someone told me once "Think of the US less like a secular Western European country and more like a very rich Iran" and that really does help to make sense of a lot of these decisions

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by wkat4242 »

DougN7 wrote: post #289
ActorNightly wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.

Doesn't real sex provide similar dopamine release? If so, what's so bad about it when real sex is not available at the time?

I'm sure some people get addicted but people with talent for it can get addicted to pretty much anything

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Post by xdennis »

basisword wrote: post #227
taylodl wrote: post #190

An identity provider can make verified age one of the claims on an OAuth token. It removes anonymity, but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. You provide those details to your trusted identity provider, they provide the claim of your age to the website. With that in place we can easily make beer, liquor, marijuana and tobacco sales on the i…

Where are you based? I can purchase alcohol from Amazon UK with no obvious age checks. Deliveroo require that riders verify your age but in reality they just ask you to type it in. And the major grocery stores deliver alcohol without any obvious checking too. I imagine teenage drinking is much easier these days thanks to the above :)

But God forbid you try to buy a kitchen knife! It used to be that you had to show ID at delivery, but now Amazon requires adding ID before the purchase.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by DougN7 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #300
DougN7 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.

Porn is very addictive because the person has no idea how to form real life relationships and engage in real sex in a healthy way. In the same way video games are very addictive because it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you have no mental tools to go out and improve your situation in life. In the same way weed is addictive when you have no mental tools to face hardships in your life and you would rather esc…

That sounds like everything to do with the thing at hand to me. We wish everyone had the awesome perfect parents. That’s never going to happen. And even kids with great parents fall into the traps you mentioned above. All the things above are dangerous to people’s lives for the reasons you mentioned, and more reasons you didn’t mention.

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Post by Osiris »

mattpallissard wrote: post #412
honkycat wrote: post #396

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Why do we need a policy? Why aren't parents doing basic things like setting up content filters?

> Why aren't parents doing basic things like setting up content filters? Not a comment on the policy; I'm a parent and AFAICT none of my cohorts in town know how to do this.

My son runs a vpn to get around my dns enforced fillers. I’ve tried to block vpns but he still finds a way.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

woeirua wrote: post #389
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #342

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>It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? >There are legitimate privacy concerns with checki…

> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? It's still a barrier to entry and will stop some kids. Sure, kids can still get fake IDs or use their parents so this wont stop everyone but no law ever will stop everyone. > First... how? Don't know. Let's let the people w…

>Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this.

You don't think people have thought about this shit since the internet started? There is literally no viable way- otherwise it probably would have already happened.

So honestly the entire argument is completely moot unless you want us to video chat with someone to verify our identity and age before we decide to search for a naughty image.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Aachen »

woeirua wrote: post #398
Aachen wrote: post #340

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I've never seen an adult store check age in the Netherlands. Children just aren't interested until they're ready for it. I assume a store owner is legally in the clear when serving a five year old, even if in practice they would ask for their caretaker's phone number and send them home. Is that actually required and enforced in the USA?

Yes.

Odd. Well, I suppose you're right that's unequal requirements in an equal situation, though I'd propose the solution is to remove that law rather than extending it.
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