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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by AlecSchueler »

ActorNightly wrote: post #325
AlecSchueler wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what's your basis for that belief?

Where else would someone gain this sentiment? Certainly not rational thinking, people aren't discussing specific psychological research at mass. The instant ad hominem attack instead of rational discussion is highly indicative of ideological underpinning. United States certainly and unfortunately has a strong religious background. Quite a few remnants of it are in peoples minds without it realizing it. For example, l…

There are many non-religious arguments being made in this very thread, some of which can be backed up by science and others which can be supported by evidence.

You're accusing them of lacking rational thinking and leaping to personal attacks while doing the same.

Many of the users of this site are not from the US and many live in some of the world's most secular societies.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

woeirua wrote: post #302

It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. There are legitimate privacy concerns with checking ID online, but I think it’s way past time that the government does something to restrict the supply of porn to minors via the internet. The same with social media. The evidence that social media…

>It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID.

So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture?

>There are legitimate privacy concerns with checking ID online, but I think it’s way past time that the government does something to restrict the supply of porn to minors via the internet.

First... how?

Second.. I sure as shit don't want that. Most people don't want that. Mostly religious nutjobs do, and politicians pretend like they care just to keep on good terms with religious nuts.

>The evidence that social media causes harm to minors is clear and compelling.

I'm not advocating for social media here- but no one being objective about the subject would ever speak that way. You obviously have a "PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" mentality and want to legislate everything with no respect to anything else. At least just be straight forward instead of trying to make silly arguments.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by belorn »

mhh__ wrote: post #309
woeirua wrote: post #302

It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. There are legitimate privacy concerns with checking ID online, but I think it’s way past time that the government does something to restrict the supply of porn to minors via the internet. The same with social media. The evidence that social media…

Does it have to be the government? Isn't this what parental controls are for

You do not need it to be the government to provide a protocol for identification. In Sweden they already done this by offloading it to banks, which can be seen as a benefit or drawback based on who you ask.

Personally I would like to see something like letsencrypt to take the role of central identification authority, with multiple open protocols available to prove identification. Neither governments or banks should be the single source for identity. Trust is a hard problem to solve with technology, and neither government nor for-profit organizations tend to be very good at it.

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Post by DonHopkins »

saberience wrote: post #315
intrasight wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pornography is that which harms the soul. That's true of all people not just minors. The question then becomes what should be classified as pornography. Justice Stewart famously said "I know it when I see it". My definition is close: "pornography is that which harms my soul". That means that what is porn will differ for different people and probably by age as well.

Porngraphy harms the soul? What exactly is the soul you're referring to? Something metaphysical? Do you have any science or data behind this assertion?

I think what he's trying to say without actually saying it is that pornography is something that makes your eternal soul go to hell if you view it.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by brookst »

pjc50 wrote: post #164
lesuorac wrote: post #153

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> Are you arguing allowing children to view sexual acts is legally protected? Yes. I'm pretty sure the entire reason porn is legal is it's considered a 1FA issue in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalit...

US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech" for 1A purposes but overt threats of violence, calls for genocide, blood libel, holocaust denial etc are "not obscene".

> US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech"

This really isn't true. See the Miller test[1], and in that same Wikipedia article, the example of adult content (in Utah!) being found not obscene.

Christian nationalists like to use "pornography" and "obscenity" interchangeably as rhetorical positioning, but I am hard pressed to think of a case where innocuous sexual content was held to be obscene and therefore not protected speech.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

woeirua wrote: post #320
Beaver117 wrote: post #316

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There are about a gazillion porn websites and legislation only affects the top like 3 of them. Completely pointless unless you have an entire surveillance system like China's firewall

A lot of those porn sites also are not free ( so automatically age restricted). PornHub is somewhat unique in that it’s so large and totally free.

>PornHub is somewhat unique in that it’s so large and totally free.

Uh.. no..

And how about you just go to google/bing whatever and search for some porn. It will come right up.

You are completely bonkers if you think free porn is somewhat unique to pornhub.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by AlecSchueler »

ActorNightly wrote: post #300
DougN7 wrote: post #289

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Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.

Porn is very addictive because the person has no idea how to form real life relationships and engage in real sex in a healthy way. In the same way video games are very addictive because it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you have no mental tools to go out and improve your situation in life. In the same way weed is addictive when you have no mental tools to face hardships in your life and you would rather esc…

Do you think children should be able to purchase cannabis products at dispensaries?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by newswasboring »

eldritch_4ier wrote: post #305
berkes wrote: post #193

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But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

It’s probably about as dangerous to minors as sitting the minor in a room while 2 consenting adults have sex, or taking that minor to a strip club. Does the screen itself prevent trauma? Would you be ok with having your child exposed to either of these? What about a gentle and loving uncle molesting a child in a way not much different from playful wrestling? Wrestling is fine, but we all recognize the molestation is…

> It’s probably about as dangerous to minors as sitting the minor in a room while 2 consenting adults have sex, or taking that minor to a strip club.

I think you have not seen the average porn online these days. Its way, way more extreme than this.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Barrin92 »

wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

>What's wrong with these people?

someone told me once "Think of the US less like a secular Western European country and more like a very rich Iran" and that really does help to make sense of a lot of these decisions

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by brookst »

DrThunder wrote: post #274
brookst wrote: post #186

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I was going to type out lengthy post educating you on the first amendment, content-based restrictions on speech, strict scrutiny, and responsible parenting. But then I was struck by the absurdity of good-faith engagement with someone who equates a de facto ban on adults enjoying pornography with bordellos for children. I hope you find peace and learn to accept yourself before you harm too many others in the name of w…

Don't gaslight me. You know good and well children aren't allowed the benefits of amendments. There is no ban on adults enjoying anything here, you're gaslighting. This is specifically about underage children, ya know the ones that legally aren't adults. Maybe you ought to realize they're more important than your narcissistic behaviors? I'm so sick of this current generation of adults not being able to grow up and pu…

The ban on speech affects those who are speaking. You're trying to turn it around to be about who is listening. That would be gaslighting, which you throw around so triumphantly.

I'm really sorry for whatever happened to you. Please don't perpetuate it.

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