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Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by lukedegruchy »

rubatuga wrote: post #116
lukedegruchy wrote: post #112

I'm a Canadian who's been following C-11 and before that C-10 for the 2 years the government has been working to pass this legislation. Here is the best summary I've read so far: https://allenmendelsohn.com/2023/04/welcome-to-the-online-st... Digital first creators, Canadian YouTubers and TikTokers (ex Linus Tech Tips), stand to lose the most from this. Their livelihoods are under threat. This is because of a clause…

Why do Canadian YouTubers have a lot to lose? Why are their livelihoods under threat? Why specifically excluding LTT? In your linked article there's a lot of emotion but not a lot of reasons.

C-11 is about algorithms (more specifically, the requirements that govern algorithms) and discoverability.

The former CRTC commissioner as well as the senate confirmed that user generated content is within the scope of the bill:

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/11/oops-he-did-again-crtc-c...

It is traditional broadcasters that lobbied for this bill.

The senate heard months of testimony from digital first creators who believe this bill will negatively impact them. That's why the added the UGC amendment that the government rejected.

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Post by mdhen »

dt23 wrote: post #109
duxup wrote: post #102

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> As an example I cannot send my kids to english school (because I went to french school) but my neighbor that is as french as me can. What is this rule?

If I understand the law correctly, you can only send your kid to English-speaking public school if you yourself went to an English-speaking school in Canada.

That's crazy

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Post by anticensor »

rubatuga wrote: post #116
lukedegruchy wrote: post #112

I'm a Canadian who's been following C-11 and before that C-10 for the 2 years the government has been working to pass this legislation. Here is the best summary I've read so far: https://allenmendelsohn.com/2023/04/welcome-to-the-online-st... Digital first creators, Canadian YouTubers and TikTokers (ex Linus Tech Tips), stand to lose the most from this. Their livelihoods are under threat. This is because of a clause…

Why do Canadian YouTubers have a lot to lose? Why are their livelihoods under threat? Why specifically excluding LTT? In your linked article there's a lot of emotion but not a lot of reasons.

Companies might apply reciprocal arrangements to non-Canadians, demoting the Canadian content outside Canada, to make their stance obvious. Which would mean demotion of LTT.

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Post by aflag »

capableweb wrote: post #41
aflag wrote: post #17

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Sort of. Most sites are available everywhere with the same content, the main exception being exactly netflix and other streaming platforms. Even though language is a barrier sometimes, it's not always. Translation software is getting better every day. Whereas, real time communication between people speaking different languages is not really possible (I can't think of a way for it to be smooth, really), but everything…

Translation software won't make you understand all the slang and idioms happening when communicating with people natively speaking the same language as you. "Hacemos una chancha" might literally mean "We make a pig" but that's not the meaning of it, and you'll miss a lot of context from conversations unless you're already aware of it, especially when it just looks like translation errors from the software rather than…

You miss a bit, but you get most of it. Many people use them successfully to watch YouTube videos, read articles, etc. You can usually find what a meme means by googling it.

A lot of American culture gets through to people who don't speak English. To the point of even adopting English expressions in their daily lives. A lot of it has to do with the fact that the internet is currently not as split up as you propose.

Heck, before I spoke English I'd play Ultima Online with people from the US. I managed to join a guild and interact with them in the 90s, with bad internet, bad translation software. Just by figuring out the game, picking a word here and there. I've seen people who don't speak Japanese interacting in Japanese communities by just using translators. When people have a shared passion or objective, language is really not a barrier.

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Post by alfor »

duxup wrote: post #130
VancouverMan wrote: post #110

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The English Montreal School Board's web site has some information about this: https://www.emsb.qc.ca/emsb/admissions/eligibility/standard-... It's remarkably convoluted.

My US based sense of "freedoms" gets really itchy when I read that ... like let me decide that, not sure I get why my kids have to be involved in someone's cultural type initiatives. Granted if it was just say a class about ... something, whatever, but picking the full time language for the school is a lot for someone else to decide for me. I suppose the argument is that if the parents picked they'd just pick one and…

The problem is that french canadians see themselves as oppressed by the english part of Canada. They try with laws to force french in Québec as much as possible. Now with more and more immigration (rapidly aging population) and more english around with the internet they try harder and harder to stop the inevitable decline in french.

We often think of moving out of Québec/Canada to escape government encroachment in our lives.

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Post by kranke155 »

capableweb wrote: post #126
kranke155 wrote: post #78

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Did you read the article ? It specifically says user generated content is NOT covered.

Did you? :) It specifically says that addition was proposed but then denied so it's still unclear.

My understanding is everyone involved tried to clarify that it’s not covered. Not sure why the addition isn’t there

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Post by kranke155 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #120
goosedragons wrote: post #105

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Which often or usually aren't considered Canadian content due to non-Canadian actors, writers, financiers, etc. so they don't contribute to the quota anyways.

It's an industry nonetheless. Would it be as prominent if such a system were not in place?

It’s a foreign industry that’s outsourced a part of production, not a canadian industry. Without tax subsidies it wouldn’t be there I suspect?

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Post by sdenton4 »

kranke155 wrote: post #137
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #120

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It's an industry nonetheless. Would it be as prominent if such a system were not in place?

It’s a foreign industry that’s outsourced a part of production, not a canadian industry. Without tax subsidies it wouldn’t be there I suspect?

It's an ecosystem. There's a need for Canadian Content, thanks to media regulations, which creates a little-league feeder of actors, producers, etc. Then the best of these are easily available to call on when outsourcing work from the US.

There's a clear quality funnel here: In any creative work, we're really looking for positive outliers. Suppose talent is normally distributed. Increasing the size of the funnel's input means you've got more chances to find the best outliers. If you've got a very tiny funnel, most great actors and cinematographers will become accountants and bicycle racers instead of winning Oscars.

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Post by musicale »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #85
musicale wrote: post #69

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I make no apologies for being a fan of The Weeknd. And Carly Rae Jepsen.

And I make no apologies for having never heard of either of them! Just not interested in music that's made from the ground up just to stick in people heads for a few days, personally. The art is gone, they follow a pretty basic formula. And they usually don't even write their own music except for the lyrics. And if you're lucky you might even get to hear their actual voice! Might as well just listen to generative mus…

Well they are from Canada, and may not be to your taste, but I imagine you haven't seen them perform live - they're actually really good. ;-)

Regarding autotune, it's worth noting that one of the most famous users of autotune as a musical effect, T-Pain (who isn't Canadian) is actually an excellent singer (and for something unexpected, check out his cover of Black Sabbath's War Pigs.)

Of course The Weeknd is in fact a successful songwriter, but I don't entirely understand the criticism of singers for not writing their own music. Certainly we accept that it's OK in jazz, in musicals, in movies, and at the opera - why not popular music?

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Post by mlb893 »

scarface74 wrote: post #93
mlb893 wrote: post #89

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It's easy to understand when most popular streaming services here are foreign owned and have created a terrible image for themselves by producing barely any tax revenue for the country.

Well doesn’t that say more about the inability of the country to produce its own tech environment where their own citizens prefer media produced by foreign companies?

It's a free market. Of course, the US will have a lot more companies coming into Canada than the other way around in tech. It has 10x the population and massive amount of capital. So, yes, you are correct Canada is not competitive against the USA in that matter.

Though, i'd argue it has nothing to do with the fact that they should be taxed appropriately in Canada. It replaces revenue from TV distribution that was appropriately taxed. Similar discussion to whether we should tax robots labour i think.

Also, I think countries have the right to promote their own culture. That might be hard to see from the POV of the country who's culture is slowly boulderizing that of the rest of the planet.

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