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San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by ars »

helaoban wrote: post #16
dkokelley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there something that the bused in/out employees could do to make a difference?

Your question could be generalized to “Do members of a community have a responsibility towards that community.” The answer is obviously yes. Responsibility assumes that conditions can be changed by those responsible, otherwise the concept of responsibility is void. I can direct this reflection at myself in various domains and come to the conclusion that I am falling short of my responsibilities in many ways, but it’s…

If you actually cared you would work to criminalize all drug use, prosecute even minor offenses, and give food to mentally ill people daily.

None of that is beyond reach but the voters of SF don't want those things.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by [deleted] »

ars wrote: post #20
helaoban wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don’t understand your point, destitution is the symptom of the various problems you’ve described, I agree with you. Nowhere do I posit differently. And it doesn’t matter what the causes are. I’m simply pointing out the most disgusting element of San Francisco’s destitution, namely that it is in cohabitation with some of the greatest wealth ever produced in human history, including the lowest salaried employee…

Of course it matters what the causes are. Your post is like saying "look at all those pedestrians using the wrong door", when the actual issue is that the correct entrance is only accessible by train. You are basically going on an irrelevant tangent. > namely that it is in cohabitation with some of the greatest wealth ever produced in human history, including the lowest salaried employees i.e. you have an axe to grin…

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by TMWNN »

rektide wrote: post #10
PKop wrote: post #2

We shouldn't have to live like this. We need a Lee Kuan Yew or Bukele type of leader to step up in these cities and say enough . This passive acceptance of crime and disorder under some misguided sense of compassion or that putting criminals in jail is immoral is pathetic and will lead to ruin. This is not how civilization functions.

I don't know California, but this reads like a classic & simple cry to suppress people, to take hard lives & make them worse. You talk about a misguided sense of compassion. But what have we really tried except liberalism? Except allowing whatever happens to happen to people? What have we tried to help, to build possible lives? Even for those not living in homed, what have we tried to keep them from sliding off the e…

You talk about a misguided sense of compassion. But what have we really tried except liberalism?

The city of San Francisco spends $70,000 annually per homeless person! https://abc7news.com/sf-homeless-plan-housing-all-san-franci...> The homeless there are homeless because severe mental and addiction issues cause them to reject help, not because resources aren't available.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by dang »

Beaver117 wrote: post #5
PKop wrote: post #2

We shouldn't have to live like this. We need a Lee Kuan Yew or Bukele type of leader to step up in these cities and say enough . This passive acceptance of crime and disorder under some misguided sense of compassion or that putting criminals in jail is immoral is pathetic and will lead to ruin. This is not how civilization functions.

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by dang »

PKop wrote: post #8
Beaver117 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Because normal funcitoning people want to conduct commerce and experience a crime free life visiting these corporations, or any other place, within the cities that they live. We should put criminals in jail and mercilessly shame and make fun of people like you that construct some nonsense rationalization for all of us accepting allowing our homes, our towns our streets to turn into shitholes. You are a LOSER and the…

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by readonthegoapp »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #3

Voters clearly said enough is enough during the past few elections. The Board of Supervisors will continue to pretend everything is okay until they are voted out. Connie Chan, Dean Preston, and Aaron Peskin should go.

voters have apparently said enough crime prevention.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by onos »

I don’t believe the problem can be solved, at least in full, but instead we have to pick our poison. We must either choose the current dystopian solution, or instead criminalize / institutionalize these people against their will.

One hurts the full population. Is the liberal solution honestly any better for the addicts?

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by yellowapple »

ars wrote: post #21
helaoban wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your question could be generalized to “Do members of a community have a responsibility towards that community.” The answer is obviously yes. Responsibility assumes that conditions can be changed by those responsible, otherwise the concept of responsibility is void. I can direct this reflection at myself in various domains and come to the conclusion that I am falling short of my responsibilities in many ways, but it’s…

If you actually cared you would work to criminalize all drug use, prosecute even minor offenses, and give food to mentally ill people daily. None of that is beyond reach but the voters of SF don't want those things.

Adding yet more criminalization and prosecution is ineffective, as can be seen across the rest of the US; looking at per-capita numbers instead of absolutes, the diversity of interstate drug laws seems to be well-represented in the rankings: http://www.citymayors.com/society/usa-cities-homelessness.ht...

The largely-untried approach is to assess why people are being afflicted with mental health issues and why people are turning to drugs, and to actually address those underlying factors. Drug abuse and mental illness are symptoms of a larger problem, not the cause. That larger problem is likely the one producing other symptoms, like the majority of adults under 30 living with their parents, or 11% of all Americans being at risk of eviction.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by yellowapple »

helaoban wrote: post #13
ars wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You actually think the issue is destitution? By all reports the issue is mental illness, drug use, and a lack of desire to prosecute crime. With the job rate as it is, I have a hard time believing anyone not disabled or with other health challenges would have any trouble finding a job.

I don’t understand your point. Destitution is the outcome of the various factors you’ve just listed, not the cause.

You don't think that being subject to destitution might result in trauma and/or motivate someone to turn to drugs as a coping mechanism?
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