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San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by PKop »

rektide wrote: post #10
PKop wrote: post #2

We shouldn't have to live like this. We need a Lee Kuan Yew or Bukele type of leader to step up in these cities and say enough . This passive acceptance of crime and disorder under some misguided sense of compassion or that putting criminals in jail is immoral is pathetic and will lead to ruin. This is not how civilization functions.

I don't know California, but this reads like a classic & simple cry to suppress people, to take hard lives & make them worse. You talk about a misguided sense of compassion. But what have we really tried except liberalism? Except allowing whatever happens to happen to people? What have we tried to help, to build possible lives? Even for those not living in homed, what have we tried to keep them from sliding off the e…

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Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by Hatrix »

rektide wrote: post #10
PKop wrote: post #2

We shouldn't have to live like this. We need a Lee Kuan Yew or Bukele type of leader to step up in these cities and say enough . This passive acceptance of crime and disorder under some misguided sense of compassion or that putting criminals in jail is immoral is pathetic and will lead to ruin. This is not how civilization functions.

I don't know California, but this reads like a classic & simple cry to suppress people, to take hard lives & make them worse. You talk about a misguided sense of compassion. But what have we really tried except liberalism? Except allowing whatever happens to happen to people? What have we tried to help, to build possible lives? Even for those not living in homed, what have we tried to keep them from sliding off the e…

May Day does not really mean anything in the US.

You can offer people help but, you can't force them to accept it.

They have the resources to get all the drugs they want, iPhones and better camping equipment than I have.

A lot of the crime in the area seems to be driven by organized crime groups. Helping homeless people won't stop that.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by helaoban »

ars wrote: post #9
helaoban wrote: post #6

That block (corner of 8th and Market) is particularly nasty. What I find even more perplexing than the city doing nothing is how the large tech companies and their brood that work right next door tolerate it. For those that work in those offices, do you just get bused in everyday, eat all your meals at the cafeteria, and get bused back out, observing the outside world like a snow globe? How do you reconcile the money…

You actually think the issue is destitution? By all reports the issue is mental illness, drug use, and a lack of desire to prosecute crime. With the job rate as it is, I have a hard time believing anyone not disabled or with other health challenges would have any trouble finding a job.

I don’t understand your point. Destitution is the outcome of the various factors you’ve just listed, not the cause.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by ars »

helaoban wrote: post #13
ars wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You actually think the issue is destitution? By all reports the issue is mental illness, drug use, and a lack of desire to prosecute crime. With the job rate as it is, I have a hard time believing anyone not disabled or with other health challenges would have any trouble finding a job.

I don’t understand your point. Destitution is the outcome of the various factors you’ve just listed, not the cause.

Destitution can be solved with charity or job offers. The other factors can not.

Writing destitution as the problem leads to useless fixes.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by sobkas »

PKop wrote: post #8
Beaver117 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Because normal funcitoning people want to conduct commerce and experience a crime free life visiting these corporations, or any other place, within the cities that they live. We should put criminals in jail and mercilessly shame and make fun of people like you that construct some nonsense rationalization for all of us accepting allowing our homes, our towns our streets to turn into shitholes. You are a LOSER and the…

Rich and powerful no longer fear prosecution and jail. You can destroy economy, do wage theft in billions, war criminals go free without even a tap on the wrist. People see this and such disregard for law trickle down on them. Including law enforcement. And some said that trickle down economy doesn't work. There are only two rules, don't steal from the rich and obey my authority. From this perspective poor stealing from each other is not a problem, as no real law was broken(see above). And in the end poor will eat each other not the rich.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by helaoban »

dkokelley wrote: post #7
helaoban wrote: post #6

That block (corner of 8th and Market) is particularly nasty. What I find even more perplexing than the city doing nothing is how the large tech companies and their brood that work right next door tolerate it. For those that work in those offices, do you just get bused in everyday, eat all your meals at the cafeteria, and get bused back out, observing the outside world like a snow globe? How do you reconcile the money…

Is there something that the bused in/out employees could do to make a difference?

Your question could be generalized to “Do members of a community have a responsibility towards that community.”

The answer is obviously yes.

Responsibility assumes that conditions can be changed by those responsible, otherwise the concept of responsibility is void.

I can direct this reflection at myself in various domains and come to the conclusion that I am falling short of my responsibilities in many ways, but it’s also true that people who walk by the worst of SF’s blocks everyday to pick up there 200k+ salaries are telling themselves everyday “not my problem”.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by helaoban »

ars wrote: post #14
helaoban wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand your point. Destitution is the outcome of the various factors you’ve just listed, not the cause.

Destitution can be solved with charity or job offers. The other factors can not. Writing destitution as the problem leads to useless fixes.

I still don’t understand your point, destitution is the symptom of the various problems you’ve described, I agree with you. Nowhere do I posit differently.

And it doesn’t matter what the causes are. I’m simply pointing out the most disgusting element of San Francisco’s destitution, namely that it is in cohabitation with some of the greatest wealth ever produced in human history, including the lowest salaried employees of the tech companies who operate downtown.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by andromeduck »

Beaver117 wrote: post #5
PKop wrote: post #2

We shouldn't have to live like this. We need a Lee Kuan Yew or Bukele type of leader to step up in these cities and say enough . This passive acceptance of crime and disorder under some misguided sense of compassion or that putting criminals in jail is immoral is pathetic and will lead to ruin. This is not how civilization functions.

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Coat of living, dominated by housing costs, is being driven you by owner occupiers and mom & pop time landlords like the self avowed socialist on the board of supervisors more than any other factor.

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by andromeduck »

helaoban wrote: post #6

That block (corner of 8th and Market) is particularly nasty. What I find even more perplexing than the city doing nothing is how the large tech companies and their brood that work right next door tolerate it. For those that work in those offices, do you just get bused in everyday, eat all your meals at the cafeteria, and get bused back out, observing the outside world like a snow globe? How do you reconcile the money…

Why do you think people are resisting RTO?

Re: San Francisco Whole Foods made 560 emergency calls before closing

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Post by ars »

helaoban wrote: post #17
ars wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Destitution can be solved with charity or job offers. The other factors can not. Writing destitution as the problem leads to useless fixes.

I still don’t understand your point, destitution is the symptom of the various problems you’ve described, I agree with you. Nowhere do I posit differently. And it doesn’t matter what the causes are. I’m simply pointing out the most disgusting element of San Francisco’s destitution, namely that it is in cohabitation with some of the greatest wealth ever produced in human history, including the lowest salaried employee…

Of course it matters what the causes are.

Your post is like saying "look at all those pedestrians using the wrong door", when the actual issue is that the correct entrance is only accessible by train.

You are basically going on an irrelevant tangent.

> namely that it is in cohabitation with some of the greatest wealth ever produced in human history, including the lowest salaried employees

i.e. you have an axe to grind and you are trying to fit your post to make it work?

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