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Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by strken »

jamilton wrote: post #153
ZeWaka wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me a lot of Aseprite, which is free to compile yourself since it's open source, but you have to buy it on Steam for auto-updates and such.

Aseprite calls itself "source available" now. Their license has a "no redistribute" clause, so if want to use it and can't compile it yourself, you have to buy it. I spent about an hour trying to compile it on Windows a few months ago, couldn't get it working. Can't remember why, maybe most of that time was installing requirements.

From memory, one of their dependencies (maybe skia?) was a gigantic pain to build. I also wasn't very familiar with ninja, and couldn't debug some of the ninja output from cmake.

Doesn't really matter because I already had a license, but it would have been interesting to play around with the internals.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by jrm4 »

chungy wrote: post #139
colonwqbang wrote: post #120

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I guess both are meant to be a kind of joke, calling your software a bad name in jest. But I think the joke works much better in the case of "git". Depending on what you read into it, calling someone a "gimp" is really quite offensive. git: A silly, incompetent, stupid or annoying person (usually a man). gimp: A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or feet.

GIMP was so named without an awareness that it coincided with pejorative. It wasn't an intentional joke.

Sure, but let me be clear, I don't think that matters at all.

Again, I'm pretty sure the reason I always get downvoted to hell on this one is because people think I'm being "the thought police" or something. And I suppose it's kind of like that but not really?

Yes, personally, I do argue slightly against the name, but honestly, I lose no sleep on it on a personal level.

What bothers me the most is that GIMP feels like a huge missed opportunity. As in -- let's say for sake of argument that the creators are strongly attached to the name, I don't know, even if it was named after Richard S. Gimp and you wanted to honor him, so you have a theoretically "bulletproof" reason.

On balance, it still AINT WORTH IT. You guys had a SERIOUS shot of eating Adobe's lunch and strongly spreading a much better way to do picture editing, but you screwed it up by staying inside your own bubble. The name was just NOT WORTH KEEPING.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by apatheticonion »

Dwedit wrote: post #203
suzumer wrote: post #163

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Paint.net stopped releasing source code in 2009.

Spoiler warning, all .NET programs can be decompiled. This includes many Unity games.

What does the output source look like? Is it legible?

Would decompiling something like paint.net and attempting to compile the out source with Mono (for use on Linux) be a viable pursuit?

I am unfamiliar with the nuances of Mono vs Dotnet, particularly in graphical applications

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by Adj_and_Styles »

jrm4 wrote: post #222
chungy wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GIMP was so named without an awareness that it coincided with pejorative. It wasn't an intentional joke.

Sure, but let me be clear, I don't think that matters at all. Again, I'm pretty sure the reason I always get downvoted to hell on this one is because people think I'm being "the thought police" or something. And I suppose it's kind of like that but not really? Yes, personally, I do argue slightly against the name, but honestly, I lose no sleep on it on a personal level. What bothers me the most is that GIMP feels lik…

Does GIMP have a bigger market share in non-English speaking places? Because if it does, then maybe the name is to be blamed. But if usage is similar everywhere, the name does not seem to matter much, or at all, for the (lack of) success.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by jrm4 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #137
jrm4 wrote: post #87

Genuine and serious praise for not insisting on sticking with an absurdly embarassing and arguably problematic name that would be likely to hamper adoption for quite some time, unlike a certain other free and open source painting program.

How is Gimp any different from Nintendo using 'Wii'?

Does "Wii" have some possibly 'offensive' meaning I'm unaware of?

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

jrm4 wrote: post #225
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Gimp any different from Nintendo using 'Wii'?

Does "Wii" have some possibly 'offensive' meaning I'm unaware of?

It's slang for urination and sometimes, slightly less frequently, a penis. Tends to be used more by children.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

jrm4 wrote: post #87

Genuine and serious praise for not insisting on sticking with an absurdly embarassing and arguably problematic name that would be likely to hamper adoption for quite some time, unlike a certain other free and open source painting program.

GIMP's name is great. Had it chosen any other, it would not have stuck in my mind for almost twenty years. The "Ummm akshyually GIMP is an evil slur" crowd is the same as the "Blacklist LITERALLY murders blacks with racism" crowd, so I see very little reason to take it seriously.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by noisy_boy »

dahart wrote: post #177
hallarempt wrote: post #167

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Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)

I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions, but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms. The boob size isn’t really the point, the subject matter as a whole just isn’t workplace material, right? I don’t quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these pictures aren’t comp…

I think I see your point and agree to certain extent; it is not about the breast size. Even if you see the splash screen from a distance where you can't specifically focus on the body parts, the image itself is reminiscent of typical explicit anime/manga involving young girls (even if there isn't anything particularly NSFW about the image itself). So yes, the potential/implicit connotations can certainly make someone and their co-workers uncomfortable.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by dotancohen »

zxspectrum1982 wrote: post #24
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #9

I tried switching to it so I had an FOSS alternative to paint.net, but so far it's taking some getting used to. I really wish paint.net was FOSS - it's perfect.

Paint.NET used to be open source until a bunch of scammers started selling "relabeled" versions of it, misleading users.

Open Office and Libre Office both have been suffering from this problem for years. They remain open source.

More than a decade ago I discussed this with RMS. His position is that these scammers are not a problem, rather they are helping to distribute FOSS software. And in fact, they do provide the source code when requested, I requested and got the code. So, as is usually the case, RMS is technically right even if it is difficult to see. I feel that reputational damage is significant, RMS feels that these scammers are not damaging the reputation of the FOSS software so long as they are not using any of the copyrighted components, such as the name.

Re: Krita: A professional free and open source painting program

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Post by dotancohen »

EMM_386 wrote: post #92
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #9

I tried switching to it so I had an FOSS alternative to paint.net, but so far it's taking some getting used to. I really wish paint.net was FOSS - it's perfect.

It really is. I started using that when it was launched in 2004 and it's come a very long way. Began as a computer science senior design project. Unfortunately as you mention it's not open source anymore ... too many people recompiling it and selling it as their own. It's fast, easy, and has more features than I'll ever need. Plugins also for more advanced things like content-aware fills, etc. It's not directly compa…

> Unfortunately as you mention it's not open source anymore ...

> too many people recompiling it and selling it as their own.

What is wrong with that? So long as the license allows it and those selling it respect copyright?

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