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Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by sdenton4 »

goosedragons wrote: post #91
kranke155 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quotas are great exactly for this reason. In France before quotas in cinemas, the quality of the films was poor. But when you he cinemas were forced to show French film in. x amount of screenings, desperate not to lose money they started to fund the films themselves and make films that were as profitable as possible. This led to a positive loop where 1. The cinemas would look for lucrative films to fund 2. Creating a…

I'm not sure it always works. Canada has had this system in place for radio and TV for ~50 years. Radio has sort of worked maybe but TV? No way. Maybe once a decade there's a half decent show worth watching.

But there's a massive industry of film shot in Canada. Start watching the credits and the supporting actors are very often Canadian, with projects shot in Vancouver or Toronto and 'local' hires to fill out the cast.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by duxup »

alfor wrote: post #94
Sytten wrote: post #47

The French speaking part of Canada of which I am a part of generally view this legislation positively since it does mean more money for culture in French. Money that currently goes toward English content. Now if we could actually produce quality shows it would be great (right now its like 90% bad soap/romcom/cop shows), otherwise the younger generations (me included) will just continue to watch US English content. If…

(also french Canadian) I think at this point we should accept that the french language will die out. We are a tiny minority in a sea of english speaking, it doesn’t make sense anymore in the age of internet. It has a huge cost for business and thus people and make us disadvantaged vs english speaking. I just wish we would finally move on, but as french is fading, the government is tightening its grip, reducing the fr…

> As an example I cannot send my kids to english school (because I went to french school) but my neighbor that is as french as me can.

What is this rule?

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by ulrashida »

tenpies wrote: post #21

This is a CBC article so keep in mind its bias in favour of the Liberals who pushed this bill through. For anyone interested in a more balanced view, Michael Geist is law professor, research chair, and overall internet policy nerd. I highly recommend his review of the bill: https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/04/billc11end/ It's also interesting to put what the Trudeau Liberals are doing in perspective. This is just one…

Geist's take is much less extreme than the one you are presenting. He suggests that the bill will be further watered down through policy consultation around 2025-26. You may want to:

1) Read your sources

2) Avoid opening arguments with phrases like "the Trudeau Liberals" as the Liberal party currently holds a minority in parliament [suggestion: "the government"]

Otherwise you come off as someone with your own axe to grind.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by goosedragons »

sdenton4 wrote: post #101
goosedragons wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it always works. Canada has had this system in place for radio and TV for ~50 years. Radio has sort of worked maybe but TV? No way. Maybe once a decade there's a half decent show worth watching.

But there's a massive industry of film shot in Canada. Start watching the credits and the supporting actors are very often Canadian, with projects shot in Vancouver or Toronto and 'local' hires to fill out the cast.

Which often or usually aren't considered Canadian content due to non-Canadian actors, writers, financiers, etc. so they don't contribute to the quota anyways.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by irjustin »

908B64B197 wrote: post #96
Sytten wrote: post #47

The French speaking part of Canada of which I am a part of generally view this legislation positively since it does mean more money for culture in French. Money that currently goes toward English content. Now if we could actually produce quality shows it would be great (right now its like 90% bad soap/romcom/cop shows), otherwise the younger generations (me included) will just continue to watch US English content. If…

To me, having this government mandated content is simply bizarre, not unlike old soviet censors looking at movies and deciding what was “soviet enough” to get the approval from the bureaucracy. > Now if we could actually produce quality shows it would be great (right now its like 90% bad soap/romcom/cop shows) Disney and Marvel made billions of dollars simply making content people want to watch and pay for, why not s…

> Disney and Marvel made billions of dollars simply making content people want to watch and pay for, why not simply do the same and compete in the marketplace? Imagine how ridiculous it would be if there were quotas on iPhone sold so that BlackBerry still had a legally mandated market share.

This is unchecked capitalism and it is self-destructive (to the larger society) which is why it's necessary for anti-competitive laws and large breakups.

Not sure if we should go in to the debate of gov's role vs capitalism because that-can-of-worms^tm, but "pure market forces" is great, but only true up to a point.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by osigurdson »

908B64B197 wrote: post #96
Sytten wrote: post #47

The French speaking part of Canada of which I am a part of generally view this legislation positively since it does mean more money for culture in French. Money that currently goes toward English content. Now if we could actually produce quality shows it would be great (right now its like 90% bad soap/romcom/cop shows), otherwise the younger generations (me included) will just continue to watch US English content. If…

To me, having this government mandated content is simply bizarre, not unlike old soviet censors looking at movies and deciding what was “soviet enough” to get the approval from the bureaucracy. > Now if we could actually produce quality shows it would be great (right now its like 90% bad soap/romcom/cop shows) Disney and Marvel made billions of dollars simply making content people want to watch and pay for, why not s…

As a Canadian I full agree with this statement.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by kranke155 »

goosedragons wrote: post #91
kranke155 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quotas are great exactly for this reason. In France before quotas in cinemas, the quality of the films was poor. But when you he cinemas were forced to show French film in. x amount of screenings, desperate not to lose money they started to fund the films themselves and make films that were as profitable as possible. This led to a positive loop where 1. The cinemas would look for lucrative films to fund 2. Creating a…

I'm not sure it always works. Canada has had this system in place for radio and TV for ~50 years. Radio has sort of worked maybe but TV? No way. Maybe once a decade there's a half decent show worth watching.

It’s definitely interesting to think about - why is it that it’s worked so well for radio, creating a big music and global stars coming from the Canadian music scene.

But not for TV? Is it maybe the fact that music has lower entry requirements for smaller artists to take off ?

While TV requires large scale production, thus if an overworked producer is making a “quota” product for TV, they might actually do what people are describing and rush something just for the 30% time they have to fill in.

It’s interesting because certainly it seems like there’s some relation to scarcity. The time on cinema screens is very scarce so the French cinema example seems to have worked. While radio, even though there are a lot of radios you still have some limits due to AM/FM bandwidth, plus radios differentiate with genres so 30% time on Canada radio means 30% time on rock, rap, jazz, etc.

But TV doesn’t work like that. So I wonder what factors played into the TV quotas not working.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by dt23 »

duxup wrote: post #102
alfor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(also french Canadian) I think at this point we should accept that the french language will die out. We are a tiny minority in a sea of english speaking, it doesn’t make sense anymore in the age of internet. It has a huge cost for business and thus people and make us disadvantaged vs english speaking. I just wish we would finally move on, but as french is fading, the government is tightening its grip, reducing the fr…

> As an example I cannot send my kids to english school (because I went to french school) but my neighbor that is as french as me can. What is this rule?

If I understand the law correctly, you can only send your kid to English-speaking public school if you yourself went to an English-speaking school in Canada.

Re: Controversial bill to regulate online streaming becomes law in Canada

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Post by VancouverMan »

duxup wrote: post #102
alfor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(also french Canadian) I think at this point we should accept that the french language will die out. We are a tiny minority in a sea of english speaking, it doesn’t make sense anymore in the age of internet. It has a huge cost for business and thus people and make us disadvantaged vs english speaking. I just wish we would finally move on, but as french is fading, the government is tightening its grip, reducing the fr…

> As an example I cannot send my kids to english school (because I went to french school) but my neighbor that is as french as me can. What is this rule?

The English Montreal School Board's web site has some information about this:

https://www.emsb.qc.ca/emsb/admissions/eligibility/standard-...

It's remarkably convoluted.

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