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Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by theK »

rnk wrote: post #233
theK wrote: post #228

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Yeah, we are living through that horror as well, turns out roughly half of the people we know that have an induction stove ended up having either multiple replacements or live with the peculiarities of their unit. It’s not cheap stuff as well, one couple have a high end Miele one that goes completely haywire if anything drops on its surface and that is after getting one replacement and one “upgrade”…

I used an induction stove and it turned me into a Newt. But I got better.

Sorry to hear that. Any advice for other readers that find themselves in that predicament?

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by mistercheph »

oblio wrote: post #335
mistercheph wrote: post #323

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I don't think anyone that cooks for themselves genuinely thinks this. E-stovetops are literally a joke, designed by and for adult-infants that eat microwaved soup from Trader Joe's, not for real people that make real, delicious food.

Are "e-stovetops" induction?

Induction tops are orders of magnitude superior to coil-based stovetops, and are viable and possibly superior replacements for gas tops despite the cookware limitations and other issues; when their control schemes mature (no capacitive touch) and prices come down to the point of attainability for the unwashed masses they will be welcomed.

But, coil-based electric tops are an embarassment for anyone that sells them, installs them, and "uses" them.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by lillecarl »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #199
vostok wrote: post #154

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I don't have any statistics on this, but I feel like I see far fewer plastic bags littering the streets these days. That alone is a win for me personally.

Give it time and you'll be seeing plenty of the reusable bags littering instead In theory they are supposed to be reusable but in practice I think they are going to wind up being single-use for most people. Maybe we'll start using them as garbage bags as they accumulate around the house.

Not what I see in Stockholm where this has been a thing for quite awhile already. We just don't throw that much stuff on the ground at all anymore.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by theK »

theK wrote: post #168
botanical wrote: post #151

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> A legacy of the Pinochet era in Chile is the privatisation of minerals and water, which gives companies ownership of those resources in an area. While mining operations squeeze this already dry region even drier, communities lose their access to potable water, leaving them relying on tankers to deliver it. “We used to have a river before that now doesn’t exist. There isn’t a drop of water,” says Rivera. “And not on…

I don’t want to disagree with you because I agree on principle with what you are saying but this case you describe has nothing to do with EVs and everything to do with neoliberalism.

Interesting, I never thought that I’d get downvoted for stating a fact here

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by tomp »

vel0city wrote: post #314
FpUser wrote: post #188

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When fixing one gives you 0.01% and fixing the other - 99.99% you go for a second one to achieve any sizeable gains. Doing it the other way is only good for fooling people to gain some points in one's political career. And you do not even have to fix second one completely to see positive results so it is not fixing everything at once.

What's the one thing that will solve 99.99% of climate change issues?

General non-discriminatory carbon tax. Investing heavily in nuclear.

Just 2 obvious ideas that noone is even trying.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by rnk »

theK wrote: post #361
rnk wrote: post #233

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I used an induction stove and it turned me into a Newt. But I got better.

Sorry to hear that. Any advice for other readers that find themselves in that predicament?

I recommend repeated viewing of Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. And avoiding llamas.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

13of40 wrote: post #260
AzzieElbab wrote: post #202

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As a former citizen of the USSR, I have to object to linking environmental issues to private property. The Soviets did all kinds of tremendously bad things ranking, from geo-transformation to placing the heavy industry in the middle of cities. From what I read about North Korea, the entire country is ruined by various extraction and industrial projects.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to share my own take, which is that one of the clearest, bluest skies I've ever seen was over North Korea. Because they sucked at doing "industry" compared to the South Koreans. In the 90s in South Korea, the rivers ran black and every corner you turned had its own putrid chemical smell from whatever fly-by-night entrepraneur had found a way to make a buck there. But that's an an…

Do blue skies matter when you are blind from malnutrition?

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Post by avianlyric »

yunohn wrote: post #85
smitty1e wrote: post #75

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A moral argument can be offered, sure. However, there is copious cause/effect data showing that non-sobriety is expensive in terms of health- and societal repercussions.

What do you think morals are? > Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

It’s not a requirement for consumption taxes to driven my morality as a first order effect.

It’s entirely reasonable for law to take the moral stance that people should broadly pay for the benefits as participating in organised society, so to ensure the long term upkeep and maintenance of that organisation they derive benefits from.

At which point consumption taxes have nothing to any moral judgement about the consumption of various products, but simple calculus that the voluntary consuming those products increases the cost of running our society, and so you should pay a bit more for engaging in these activities.

But none of that is judgement on the morality of activity. I personally couldn’t give a shit what drugs you or anyone else consumes. But I don’t particularly like the idea of having pick up the bill later for an activity I didn’t participate in. So if you pay some extra taxes to cover to cost of additional healthcare, then feel free to consume whatever the hell you want.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by olivermarks »

api wrote: post #111

The space is saturated with anti-EV FUD.

>The space is saturated with anti-EV FUD.

It's crazy out there right now - massive political pressure with tax breaks, climate anxiety marketing for EVs, mass confusion about energy supply chains and pollution whether oil or electric, a lack of clarity about battery ingredients and lifecycles from extraction to disposal.

Re: Why are lithium prices collapsing?

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Post by yunohn »

avianlyric wrote: post #368
yunohn wrote: post #85

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What do you think morals are? > Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

It’s not a requirement for consumption taxes to driven my morality as a first order effect. It’s entirely reasonable for law to take the moral stance that people should broadly pay for the benefits as participating in organised society, so to ensure the long term upkeep and maintenance of that organisation they derive benefits from. At which point consumption taxes have nothing to any moral judgement about the consum…

> But I don’t particularly like the idea of having pick up the bill later for an activity I didn’t participate in.

The repeated grouping of morality/ethics into purely religion/judgement throughout this thread really bothers me. IMHO your argument is an argument of moral propriety of making people pay for others choices. You’re semantically choosing to not call it that is all.

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