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U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by guyomes »

curious-im wrote: post #27

Report about girls experiencing sadness and violence and comment section here putting the blame on girls themself, facebook, results being affected by wokeness and so on. Kinda ironic There is much more external reasons for young american females to feel sad right now. Culture wars, politicians becoming extremists, legislations and many other factors. I think people in general feel much less save right now, not only…

> There is much more external reasons for young american females to feel sad right now.

Fully agree. A sci-fi novel from Robert Heinlein [0] was describing end of life as a discontinuity. In this sense, with the very rapid changes of society that we are currently experiencing, we could say that the society is dying to let place to a new society.

As examples of rapid changes, we have social network, climat change, artificial intelligence to cite a few.

From a child point of view it could be harder to project themself in a society changing rapidly. How do you gain recognition for you and your creations using new medias? How do you reach confort and enjoy leisures without causing pollution? Which skills should you learn that won't become obsolete with AI?

It is inevitable that societies change: our current society is very different from the society during middle-age for instance. Yet it is easier to adapt when the changes are slow and continuous than when they are sudden and discontinuous. In the first case, you can learn from your parents and other adults. In the second case, you are on your own. In the history of most countries, recovering from a revolution could take decades.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-Line

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

kmarc wrote: post #45

Look around you and observe your friends, family, colleagues, or a significant other, but really: any adults. This is not only affecting "teen girls", and certainly not only US people. We need more research on this without "teen girls" in the clickbait titles. This affects everyone. It affected the person of my romantic interest and I had to break up at the end. This affects 30+ year old men too. Don't dismiss it. Be…

You are absolutely right that it is affecting the whole society, but no amount of research will ever discover the things you’re not allowed to notice, let alone solve. Is what makes the censorship and attacks on free speech stop pernicious, because as the attacks are only ramping up, so will the subject situation only get worse, because you cannot solve things you cannot even say out loud.

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by zmgsabst »

hotpotamus wrote: post #80
zmgsabst wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sucks. But the problems of that are not due to skin pigmentation or genital structure — it’s the fact intelligence is necessary for many tasks. And you’re still best served by focusing on how to improve your individual circumstance, especially compared to blaming those unrelated factors.

Do you think such a person can do anything they put their mind to? Also I don't know where skin pigmentation came into this though I'll admit I didn't read the article - does it say something about differential racial effects?

That’s within the context of my comment.

Also, extremely unlikely. But they’ll be better served by the mentality that they can than worrying about a victim narrative about how they’ll never be able to succeed.

Eg, this.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-bec...

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by Turing_Machine »

TwoNineA wrote: post #79
jdthedisciple wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 100% with you. Parents should have the right and responsibility to monitor and regulate their children's consumption of aforementioned tools.

Do you blame personal responsibility for the obesity epidemic? Do you blame personal responsibility for a smoker’s lung cancer? Do you blame personal responsibility for the liver failure of an alcoholic? Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide? It’s easy to blame the parents when Meta creates a hyper addictive application with beauty filters for example that amplifies society’s pressure on youn…

> Do you blame personal responsibility for the Rohingya genocide?

Umm.... yes?

I mean, who should be blamed for a genocide other than the people who carried it out?

(edited to remove unnecessary snark)

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by revelio »

dotandgtfo wrote: post #88
revelio wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conceding the point, right? The OP asks why is the focus only on teen girls? Why not on everyone who is getting sadder? The answer is: society and especially academia is systematically biased against men for political and ideological reasons. So you respond, when men ask for equally good treatment to women that is a "political" demand that is "reactionary" and "understandably makes people a bit angry". It's a…

I'm not conceding any point. I am trying to say that the way the internet works inherently filters information to us based on how emotionally engaging content is. Maybe you aren't exposed to the counter points because they aren't that engaging but there's tons of research being done on men as well. Incels and Japanese Hikikomori, conspiracy theories and online extremism is more male oriented. Also, objectively there'…

This thread is getting quite confusing. OK, your argument is that only a tiny minority of people are engaged in misandry like constantly talking about incels, and they are exaggerated by the internet, and most of society actually cares a lot about problems that affect men. Is that right?

I gotta ask because you seem to be disagreeing with the thesis of this thread, but then it appears like you keep rephrasing the points:

TheLoafOfBread says: "Society does not care about male problems. Let's just label them incels or terrorists and be done with it."

Your response: "there's tons of research being done on men as well. Incels and Japanese Hikikomori, conspiracy theories and online extremism is more male oriented"

Yes that's what he said?? Academics research girls to solve their problems, they research men as problems. Put another way, if this is really the view of only a tiny minority that is exaggerated by social media engagement optimization, how can there also be "tons of research" on these things?

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by havblue »

lakeshastina wrote: post #16

Those years during high school are a very challenging time in one’s life, when we develop into adults. The fundamental question of “Who am I? Where do I fit into society?” are subconsciously trying to get answered. On the other side, in the west, we have a very body-centered idea of self-worth, exaggerated by TV, music and social media. Fundamentally, I do not see this situation getting any better because of how soci…

We aren't grounded enough in reality anymore. For younger people, this is related to the twin evils of social media and video games, both of which are more captivating than ever. The disengagement from reality can also be seen in being shut inside during the pandemic, decline in teen employment and potentially even grade inflation. Teens are insulated from negative consequences and it's debatable that this is making them more miserable.

While we can't change society, we can make personal choices or choices within our families. I would say that it's beneficial to recognize parts of the modern world that are illusory and attempt to scale them back or avoid them.

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ChatGTP wrote: post #38
fafqg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree that this is Meta's fault. They gave females a window to the world and that made them depressed. Does this mean Meta should just close shop? Are they responsible for the mental health of their users?

They gave people beauty filters too.

"Beauty filters", in the form of cosmetics, have been widely used by both men and women at least since the days of ancient Egypt, 5000 years ago. Likely before... that's just the earliest record we have.

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by hotpotamus »

zmgsabst wrote: post #93
hotpotamus wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think such a person can do anything they put their mind to? Also I don't know where skin pigmentation came into this though I'll admit I didn't read the article - does it say something about differential racial effects?

That’s within the context of my comment. Also, extremely unlikely. But they’ll be better served by the mentality that they can than worrying about a victim narrative about how they’ll never be able to succeed. Eg, this. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/10/12/after-bec...

Do you think repeatedly failing to achieve a goal that you may never have been able to in the first place is good for mental health? Getting people to believe some lie about how they can achieve anything might make you feel better, but it seems fundamentally dishonest; despite what we may wish, not all the children can be above average. I'm glad the person in your example has the support required to spend his time doing non-productive sports that he enjoys, that's very nice and I wish more people had that opportunity, but do you think he'll ever be able to live independently?

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by dotandgtfo »

revelio wrote: post #95
dotandgtfo wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not conceding any point. I am trying to say that the way the internet works inherently filters information to us based on how emotionally engaging content is. Maybe you aren't exposed to the counter points because they aren't that engaging but there's tons of research being done on men as well. Incels and Japanese Hikikomori, conspiracy theories and online extremism is more male oriented. Also, objectively there'…

This thread is getting quite confusing. OK, your argument is that only a tiny minority of people are engaged in misandry like constantly talking about incels, and they are exaggerated by the internet, and most of society actually cares a lot about problems that affect men. Is that right? I gotta ask because you seem to be disagreeing with the thesis of this thread, but then it appears like you keep rephrasing the poi…

Yes, that is my point.

Ok, I'll spell it out clearly for you then.

Research is being done on both girls and boys, adults and children. There are rational explanations for why you mostly hear about the girls (the numbers there are insane, and more likely to bubble up into your feed).

But the comment thread here seems to take the stance that men are being profiled and biased by this research through a political and an ideological stance. There is no/little research being done on men or boys - and the research that is being done is attributed to ideological and political reasons and to suppress boys and men through stamping them as "extremists, incels and such".

Women don't care about men. #killallmen. This is absolutely absurd and doesn't mirror real life in the slightest. It's an extreme position you've been fed through the information you consume online. It's a position based on vicitimisation and outrage. Your talking points lack nuance.

The reason you haven't heard about research is not because it doesn't exist - but because the information sources you consume online doesn't filter it up to you. There are rational explanations for why boys and men are underreported in this research, you just aren't picking it up, and you're attributing it to malice and conspiracies.

This is what the internet does. It polarizes people.

But it seems like this thread was removed from HN. I won't be returning.

Re: U.S. Teen Girls Experiencing Increased Sadness and Violence

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Post by Planktonne »

CipherThrowaway wrote: post #69
Planktonne wrote: post #39

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'Some amount of pressure or coercion' is still rape; no matter how you use language to minimise it, it adds an amount of 'non-' to the 'consenual'.

I have the lower sex drive in my relationships and experience a concomitant pressure to have sex when I don't want to. I'll often say yes to avoid a fight, avoid upsetting my partner or to stop them from nagging me. This has never seemed like a big deal to me although it is sometimes a nuisance. How does this square with your PoV? Is it rape? Maybe it doesn't count as "real" pressure? I'm not trying to minimize the i…

Your partner shouldn't be pressuring you into having sex; that's wrong of them, and you deserve better.

Coerced consent isn't consent [1]; the fact that there are different levels of violence and pressure involved in some cases of coercion doesn't mean that the less-obvious levels are okay.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE

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