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Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by zvr »

rektide wrote: post #169
windowsrookie wrote: post #75

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At the beginning of the chip shortage, Intel's CPU just weren't very good. AMD was beating them at performance and efficiency. Intel has caught up now, but their chips still use significantly more power than the current AMD chips. Intel spent a lot of time and money developing their new Arc GPUs. They were delayed and they missed the crypto boom. Drivers and GPU performance were disappointing even after delaying the…

To their credit, the gpu drivers have continued getting much much better, much faster. Intel has long understood the value of drivers, has been one of the primary contributors & drivers of really good open source (albeit with some frustrating areas of sore neglect, like GMA500/Poulso) (But also rip the incredible http://01.org those folks were amazing at finding high value open source work to do!). Im glad to see mak…

https://open.intel.com is the successor of 01.org.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by mrtksn »

heavyset_go wrote: post #280
mrtksn wrote: post #93

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Can you give me a link to such a device? Sub 1000 laptop with 10H battery life, lighter and smaller than Air, higher performance than M1 sounds good. I wonder why people buy those about Air heavy, about Air performing premium and expensive laptops then.

Grabbed a Dev On on sale for $500 and I'm very happy with it.

Good for you, what's this "Dev" laptop exactly?

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Post by andromeduck »

srj wrote: post #198
causi wrote: post #170

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Personally I think Intel lost the plot around the time they killed Atom. Atom launched as a garbage product, then they spent a decade refining it into an incredible combination of price, performance, and power consumption. Then they killed it and replaced it with processors that offered barely 10% better performance per watt at five times the MSRP and they wonder why the Intel tablet market is dead. It's dead because…

They also killed off larrabee right before the GPU market took off. Even if they were behind on it there was so much potential.

Killing larrabee was the right move. That project was a joke architecturally - they got absolutely nothing right. Wrong problem, wrong solution, wrong time, poorly executed.

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Post by andromeduck »

masklinn wrote: post #203
throwaway2037 wrote: post #188

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Can you explain more? I also sense the Philips is a fading giant, but I struggle to a put a finger on it. Part of it might be that it is constantly spinning out divisions into separate companies.

They don’t just spin out divisions, they keep spinning out innovative and revenue generating divisions, leaving Philips with no ability to do anything, and with what they’re currently doing: selling the brand for Chinese white-labels to put on their product as they try to move up the chain. Essentially Philips had spent 30 years selling the bones of the group, leaving just a skin-suit. Which they’re now selling as we…

Good for investors at least.

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Post by andromeduck »

rektide wrote: post #158
formerly_proven wrote: post #133

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Intel got out of memory when that became a complete commodity, similarly Intel sold their NAND business (now called Solidigm) a while ago to Hynix, because similarly NAND and SSDs are now commodities (in the sense of highly standardized, interchangeable product made by a large number of competing companies). It does make sense if you only wish to keep things where your company has unique advantages and doesn't need t…

It's extra bitter to see Intel exit NAND because they largely invented & drove NVMe. The p3700 was the first mainstream NVMe drive, July 2014, & is still a beast, still pleasantly fast with stable & high iops, albeit lacking in raw bandwidth. The before times were so awful. A sea of proprietary interfaces, dubious drivers. Intel identified a huge weak point in the ecosystem & created radical change where it was neede…

The sucked at it though - kept trying to outsource, never paid enough to retain necessary talent even in discount markets like Canada.

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Post by andromeduck »

bane wrote: post #240
mike_hearn wrote: post #177

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How did Optane represent faking it? It was and still is the fastest persistent storage ever made, no? I thought they killed it because of the difficulty of manufacturing it.

It died because the first generation of Optane devices failed to take the market by storm and instead of advancing the technology they simply exited the market, eating all of the prior investment. Why they failed to take the market seems to be both a combination of lousy marketing (is it a drive, or are they RAM replacements?), selling only enterprise-class products, high prices, and competition technology that is bo…

IDK - I think the hyperscaler market should have been the target market but yeah more academia/open source accessibility would have been cool.

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Post by diffeomorphism »

0zemp2c wrote: post #236
alpaca128 wrote: post #201

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> just walk into any college classroom in America... America isn't the world. Walk into any classroom outside the US and you'll see something very different.

the third world isn't buying Intel's top-of-the-line CPUs... go look at high-end Lenovo laptops with Intels' best CPUs...$3k+++ Intel and AMD won't last long selling cheap CPUs to a shrinking Windows market overseas

You think every non-US country is third world?

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by alpaca128 »

0zemp2c wrote: post #236
alpaca128 wrote: post #201

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> just walk into any college classroom in America... America isn't the world. Walk into any classroom outside the US and you'll see something very different.

the third world isn't buying Intel's top-of-the-line CPUs... go look at high-end Lenovo laptops with Intels' best CPUs...$3k+++ Intel and AMD won't last long selling cheap CPUs to a shrinking Windows market overseas

Third world? I live in Western Europe and in my entire time before finishing college I saw a single Macbook in class. Among all people I personally know about 2-4 others use a Mac and we have a single Apple store in the entire country. Want a custom configuration from the officially licensed vendor? Have fun waiting 6 months.

I can't see any shrinking Windows market here.

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Post by mrtksn »

heavyset_go wrote: post #289
mrtksn wrote: post #282

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Good for you, what's this "Dev" laptop exactly?

Dev One*, https://hpdevone.com/

That's significantly slower machine than M1 Air. The screen is much worse, the actual battery life appears to be half of the M1 Air and there are all kind of other things like the sound quality or the trackpad that fall pretty short.

I'm glad you are happy with it, for 500 bucks seems like a fair deal, but this is nothing like Macbook Air.

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