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Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by sokoloff »

whstl wrote: post #252
jgwil2 wrote: post #196

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How'd you get Apple to replace it for free? I thought all coverage would have expired...

It was in 2018, so after only six years. Five years ago, time flies... And the battery was swollen up, it actually damaged the trackpad. I went to the store to get an estimate, but they said they'd do it for free. I wonder if it was a recall. I didn't speak German that well back then so it might have gotten lost in translation. I recently also had issues with my Airpods Pro and they replaced for free, but they told m…

I also had a swollen battery in a 2013 Macbook Pro that was eligible for a free replacement in 2018 or 2019 (I forget exactly when, but it was before the 2019 16" Macbooks came out).

It was covered outside the normal warranty because of the swelling issue. Mine swelled to the point where the trackpad was slightly unreliable.

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Post by sl0tr4cer »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #206
xxpor wrote: post #204

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I wasn't even aware there's an Intel plant here. Where is it?

Dupont, although I think it might be closed now. They tore down some of the buildings four or five years ago.

closed for years and the state clawed back their tax break

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Post by shinycode »

danaris wrote: post #94
heavyset_go wrote: post #72

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I tried to do web dev on an 8GB Mac and it wasn't fun. If you use an IDE, it will be constrained for memory if you have things like browser windows open, you will have a bad time if you try to open multiple projects and running Docker made it all worse. Virtual machines were out of the question which made mobile app development difficult. If you can stick with a terminal or some lightweight editors, 8GB might be okay…

Did you try it on an Apple Silicon Mac? There was a lot of discussion of this at the time the M1s first came out, with loads of people (who had never touched one) confidently declaring that 8GB of RAM was far too little...and then nearly everyone who actually bought an 8GB M1 Mac saying "yeah, it might not handle heavy loads well, but that's what the Pro machines are for—in normal use, it has no problem at all with 8…

I don’t assume, I currently have a MacBook Pro M1 with 8gb of ram. It all depends on what kind of tools and IDE you have. When I avoid a having 50 tabs on chrome and only the apps I need it’s perfectly usable for web dev. Of course 16go is more confortable but I’m working with 8 with no problem on light web dev.

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Post by xxpor »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #206
xxpor wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't even aware there's an Intel plant here. Where is it?

Dupont, although I think it might be closed now. They tore down some of the buildings four or five years ago.

Looks like it's an Amazon FC now, if it's the land next to the "Intel DuPont community garden"

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Post by JKCalhoun »

smolder wrote: post #115
JKCalhoun wrote: post #39

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I'm not sure "forcibly kill" is the adjective/verb I would have used. I have plenty of older Macs still running older versions of Mac OS. In some ways I kind of prefer them (because I still like the older Mac OSes). Maybe this is more of an indictment rather than a defense of Apple, but one machine I keep on an OS that's over 5 years old because it has the one version of Apple's Photos that didn't yet screw up the re…

*adverb/verb

I'm embarrassed for that one.

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Post by bernawil »

danaris wrote: post #94
heavyset_go wrote: post #72

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I tried to do web dev on an 8GB Mac and it wasn't fun. If you use an IDE, it will be constrained for memory if you have things like browser windows open, you will have a bad time if you try to open multiple projects and running Docker made it all worse. Virtual machines were out of the question which made mobile app development difficult. If you can stick with a terminal or some lightweight editors, 8GB might be okay…

Did you try it on an Apple Silicon Mac? There was a lot of discussion of this at the time the M1s first came out, with loads of people (who had never touched one) confidently declaring that 8GB of RAM was far too little...and then nearly everyone who actually bought an 8GB M1 Mac saying "yeah, it might not handle heavy loads well, but that's what the Pro machines are for—in normal use, it has no problem at all with 8…

I honestly think it was all just hype, or some sort of FOMO of every reviewer not jumping on the M1 hype-train.

I own a base Macbook Pro 14", 16GB RAM. If anything, it feels like less than 16GB (maybe because the shared video memory or macos bloat) saved by the fast SSD that's inevitably going to fail not too far and turn the laptop into e-waste.

I feel like every single talk point of the early review cycle was a huge exaggeration:

1. battery life just browsing the web is no more than 4/5 hours. Like any other windows laptop.

2. Performance is really nothing special really. Things like maximizing/minimizing a youtube video are choppy and lag for 2/3 seconds.

I mean, it's still the best value in the market for the screen, keyboard, chassis, speakers combo but Apple Silicon is extremely overrated.

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Post by throw0101b »

bane wrote: post #116

Intel and Google share surprisingly similar problems: an almost pathological inability to grow lines of business with new products because they kill them off too early. In Intel's case, it's even worse, they kill them off right before the market would have made them successful. They should own the "things with semiconductors" market, but instead financially engineered their way to focus only on higher profit core chi…

> but instead financially engineered their way to focus only on higher profit

See also Boeing (?).

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Post by KerrAvon »

29athrowaway wrote: post #125

Intel gets MBAed.

It's interesting that every large American industrial corporation eventually succumbs to MBA fever.

In the 20th century, we saw the rise and fall of General Electric, Westinghouse, GM, RCA. Huge American corporations with products almost everyone interacted with almost every day. In the 1960's these were the corporations to beat. In the late 1960's, bean counter infiltration began. Of these companies, only GM isn't a hollow brand licensing shell, and it had to survive a government-maneuvered corporate bankruptcy to make it to 2009.

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Post by mlsu »

mschild wrote: post #82
mrtksn wrote: post #77

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If you can't afford $900 you shouldn't be buying a laptop unless you absolutely need it in short term to get out of your current situation. You are probably in a precarious state, not really a chooser at this time and all you can do is to sort by price and buy the cheapest.

Thats an incredibly privileged view on this. The world doesn't run high paying western salaries. Most people earn significantly less. The average monthly indian salary, by now the largest country in the world population wise, is roundabout 450 USD. Your advice boils down to just get richer and don't be poor.

Not to mention, Apple can be significantly more expensive in other countries due to tariffs and exchange rates.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

0zemp2c wrote: post #230
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #216

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This is the real consequence of Intel being run by MBA sociopaths for two decades now. Intel (and AMD) needs a good consumer OS to keep it relevant in the next decades. It's what keeps the DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS on x86, and therefore use x86 server architectures. Either that, or it is a commodity ARM business. Microsoft has never been up to the task of a good consumer OS. Intel always should have had multip…

even if Windows survives, they will also likely move to ARM Intel is in real serious trouble, and so is AMD

Agreed, but I think AMD can pivot to an ARM architecture. Actually, Intel and AMD would be idiots to not have an Apple M1 chip competitors in active development.

Intel has a lot more denialism and inertia in their management to fully embrace / not undermine a legit ARM product.

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