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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by Aromasin »

zpeti wrote: post #34
drumhead wrote: post #7

This looks like some big bath accounting by Intel. Getting all the bad news out of the way in what was expected to be a bad year anyway. The next couple of years will be make or break for them, so Im expecting to see some good things coming out of their pipeline.

Stock is up 5% as of posting this, so I think the market already priced in something even worse potentially.

36% down YoY, but they beat investor Q1 consensus. Analysts predicted worse than this, so they've exceeded market expectations. Sapphire Rapids is only just starting to ramp sales, and the Emerald/Granite Rapids & Sierra Forest roadmaps are on track, which is the first time the Xeons have looked healthy in nearly 4 or 5 years. They trimmed the fat by selling off all businesses but their core ones, and are announcing IFS customers every other week. I'm not surprised investors are starting to move.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by mschild »

mrtksn wrote: post #77
mschild wrote: post #64

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I agree they are but what if you can't afford to spend 800 or 900 on a laptop? There's also plenty of people who use their laptop until it's dead. Infact, I'd argue it's probably more economical to purchase a repairable laptop and replace parts as needed.

If you can't afford $900 you shouldn't be buying a laptop unless you absolutely need it in short term to get out of your current situation. You are probably in a precarious state, not really a chooser at this time and all you can do is to sort by price and buy the cheapest.

Thats an incredibly privileged view on this. The world doesn't run high paying western salaries. Most people earn significantly less. The average monthly indian salary, by now the largest country in the world population wise, is roundabout 450 USD.

Your advice boils down to just get richer and don't be poor.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by heavyset_go »

mrtksn wrote: post #76
okasaki wrote: post #66

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If you're looking for value and durability, you can buy a used business laptop like thinkpad or dell latitude. You can get a used thinkpad with an 8th gen intel and 16gb ram for $200 maybe. Sure the cpu will be slower but with 8gb ram on a mac you're not going to be doing much anyway.

The screen will be terrible, the performance will be 1/3 of the M1 air, the battery life will be useless and the device itself will be heavy. Bad deal overall. At that price I would prefer a Chromebook.

AMD's 5nm chips compete with and outperform the M1, low end laptops ship with 16GB of media by default, 8-10h of battery life is good enough for most people and Dell XPS laptops, for example, weigh 1.17kg, which is less than the M1 Air.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by surgical_fire »

windowsrookie wrote: post #80
surgical_fire wrote: post #59

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> the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Ehh... Is it? I use the M1 issued by my employer. It's an okay machine in terms of hardware, but I absolutely loathe MacOS. I certainly wouldn't pay for the M1 at the price they sell it, way over expensive toy. I vastly prefer my personal machine,…

The M1 MacBook Air is regularly on sale for $800 or less. I'm not sure how you can consider that an "over expensive toy". It's competitive and often beating Windows Laptops at that price. The M1 chip is 2 years old now, and still competitive. I can understand hating the OS. But MacOS is my preferred OS, I really don't like Windows or Linux. MacOS just works. Linux and Windows always have some driver/kernel/etc. updat…

> The M1 MacBook Air is regularly on sale for $800 or less. I'm not sure how you can consider that an "over expensive toy".

It comes with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of disk.

Do you really need to ask why I call it an over expensive toy?

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by surgical_fire »

bearjaws wrote: post #71
surgical_fire wrote: post #59

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> the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Ehh... Is it? I use the M1 issued by my employer. It's an okay machine in terms of hardware, but I absolutely loathe MacOS. I certainly wouldn't pay for the M1 at the price they sell it, way over expensive toy. I vastly prefer my personal machine,…

> and has a GPU I can use to play with StableDiffusion. You can run stable diffusion faster on a M1 pro macbook pro than on a 1080ti 3900x desktop. DiffusionBee, I get .7s/iteration on a M1 using just 45w of power vs .98s/iteration on my 1080ti using over 5x that amount of power... I could upgrade to a 4080 and I am sure it would destroy it, but I doubt your laptop has a full power 4080 anyway. > But 99% of the time…

> You can run stable diffusion faster on a M1 pro macbook pro than on a 1080ti 3900x desktop. DiffusionBee, I get .7s/iteration on a M1 using just 45w of power vs .98s/iteration on my 1080ti using over 5x that amount of power...

At what cost?

> I could upgrade to a 4080 and I am sure it would destroy it, but I doubt your laptop has a full power 4080 anyway.

Mine has a GeForce 2060 RTX. Not in any way overpowered, but runs games and StableDiffusion fast enough.

That at a fraction of the cost of an M1 Pro too, and the added benefit of not having to use MacOS

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by blagie »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #42
whynotmaybe wrote: post #25

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The "niche" market is corporate and gouv. These industries won't buy macs as they are too expensive to maintain and to integrate into their existing active directory domains. (With a few exceptions for jobs where the Mac is the optimal device like graphic design) No idea about percentage but windows won't disappear soon from those. The android market share is mainly mobile devices and Microsoft gave that market up a…

(Not sure if your last sentence was a joke meant to undermine your argument preceding it? Maybe by mainframe though you're referring to servers.) I generally agree with your point though but I am seeing that as more and more of office work moves to living within a web browser, it is becoming more hardware agnostic.

> (Not sure if your last sentence was a joke meant to undermine your argument preceding it? Maybe by mainframe though you're referring to servers.)

No. It's reality. Mainframes are here to stay. IBM continues to develop and sell plenty of mainframes. Several other manufacturers do as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Z#IBM_z16

Where I work has applications dating back decades with complex data analysis algorithms developed by very smart people. Strict backwards-compatibility is critical. We have mainframes.

There are many other reasons to run mainframes. For example, mainframes offer pretty incredible features with regards to redundancy, and making everything hot-swappable in case of failure without interrupting workloads. That's especially useful in places like the financial industry. There, a single failure or error can cost much more than a mainframe.

They're a niche, but a big enough one to support a multi-billion dollar business. It shrunk for many years, but it's currently even growing.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by nytesky »

shortrounddev wrote: post #17
sokoloff wrote: post #11

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You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

> 5 years Because Apple will forcibly kill it after that with incompatible software updates. Windows machines keep going until they physically break. But what everyone here is missing is that the consumer desktop/laptop market is dying itself. Soon it will only be for enterprise uses and gaming. Most people do all their computing through a phone or tablet. I know people who don't own a laptop.

My MacBook Pro was supported by OS updates for a DECADE. I have a MS SURFACE Laptop Gen 1 from 2018 I can’t update to Win 11 — and will EOL in 2026. That’s from the flagship microdot branded laptop.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by ydnaclementine »

bearjaws wrote: post #71
surgical_fire wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Ehh... Is it? I use the M1 issued by my employer. It's an okay machine in terms of hardware, but I absolutely loathe MacOS. I certainly wouldn't pay for the M1 at the price they sell it, way over expensive toy. I vastly prefer my personal machine,…

> and has a GPU I can use to play with StableDiffusion. You can run stable diffusion faster on a M1 pro macbook pro than on a 1080ti 3900x desktop. DiffusionBee, I get .7s/iteration on a M1 using just 45w of power vs .98s/iteration on my 1080ti using over 5x that amount of power... I could upgrade to a 4080 and I am sure it would destroy it, but I doubt your laptop has a full power 4080 anyway. > But 99% of the time…

1080ti released in 2017. M1 released in 2020

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by okasaki »

mrtksn wrote: post #76
okasaki wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're looking for value and durability, you can buy a used business laptop like thinkpad or dell latitude. You can get a used thinkpad with an 8th gen intel and 16gb ram for $200 maybe. Sure the cpu will be slower but with 8gb ram on a mac you're not going to be doing much anyway.

The screen will be terrible, the performance will be 1/3 of the M1 air, the battery life will be useless and the device itself will be heavy. Bad deal overall. At that price I would prefer a Chromebook.

I mean not really, I have a x1 tablet here and the performance and battery is fine, the screen is very nice, and it's not heavy.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by heavyset_go »

allie1 wrote: post #10
0zemp2c wrote: post #2

hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

The x86 ecosystem is far superior to Apple Silicon, and that is not going away any time soon. Macs have one big advantage - efficiency, which translates to long battery life and more importantly for me personally - NOT OVERHEATING. However, porting software to apple silicon results in inefficiencies, and for developers it gets a bit trickier. I have a M1 Max with 65GB ram and I love it, but the moment Intel comes out…

AMD's 5nm chips outperform the M1 and M2, although they are not as power efficient, they have a very low TDP, run cool and idle at basically nothing.

Given them another node shrink and they'll be even better.

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