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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by lelanthran »

wpm wrote: post #308
lelanthran wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but ... It was a political effort. It was a movement that used the existing mechanism to promote a law they wanted, not a mob trying to get their way by shouting down others. You may not like how the process works, but it works the same for everyone. Trying to smear the ones you don't agree with as not legitimate doesn't work, because it's the process that you're smearing.

Bigotry is not a legitimate political position, no.

If you can vote on it, itsta legitimate political position

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by lelanthran »

komali2 wrote: post #287
lelanthran wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but ... It was a political effort. It was a movement that used the existing mechanism to promote a law they wanted, not a mob trying to get their way by shouting down others. You may not like how the process works, but it works the same for everyone. Trying to smear the ones you don't agree with as not legitimate doesn't work, because it's the process that you're smearing.

I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." It sounds like your biggest priority in determining ethicality is legality: did anything illegal happen in the "cancellation" of the Brave founder? (I know nothing about this event, I'm just commenting within the context of this short conv…

> I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law."

If there is a legal and approved method for getting a law, why is forming a mob the same as using the official method?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by interesting_att »

Brave is great -- but just objectively they aren't growing. Their MAU was literally larger a year ago. Compare last month's stats to last May's stats: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1643104574532894721 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1532100051966697472

Weird how a company can experience NEGATIVE growth for something like browsers and search

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by lisasays »

soundnote wrote: post #390
poszlem wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but ultimately it's a matter of editorial control, not censorship. So is all censorship. No censor calls censorship "Censorship". An example from my country of birth: Main Office of Control over the Press, Publications and Performances, since 1981 the Main Office of Control over Publications and Performances - the central office of state censorship in the Polish People's Republic. It was a censorship body (analogou…

The actual grim part: It's not an "eventually". Even if the censorship downranks and removes results I disagree with and makes me feel warm and fuzzy and enjoy that my political enemies are gnashing their teeth, it can very well rob me of information it'd be useful to know. eg. to this day many people live under the impression that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people. If asked to estimate how many unarmed blacks…

If asked to estimate how many unarmed blacks get killed by police, Democrat voters give absolutely wild estimates when according to shooting databases the actual number is about 20 a year.

Uh, no.

By easily findable statistics, the number is more like 225+ a year - shot and killed. And is consistently disproportionate to the number of white victims.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by eitland »

riku_iki wrote: post #428
eitland wrote: post #95

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search.marginalia.nu consisted of 1 Swedish engineer and 1 server last I heard and still managed to outclass DDG in a number of query types relevant to me. In fact, back when I used DDG I think I fell back to marginalia more often than I fell back to Google, partly because of my dislike for Google and partly because Google doesn't respect my queries - which of course is a contributing reason for my dislike for them.…

that niche engine looks like many magnitudes simpler problem than building competitive modern search.

Marginalia is a niche engine for now, yes, but what it does, it does correctly, unlike Google that has been silently rewriting my queries since before 2013: https://techinorg.blogspot.com/2013/03/what-is-going-on-with...

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by eitland »

eitland wrote: post #420
mathgorges wrote: post #188

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Can you walk me through what a typical search day is like for you? To me, the 700 soft limit seems absurd so I'm curious to hear how you interact with the product. I average 50-100 searches per work day and 10-20 searcher per off day (totalling 1-2.5k per month). But I don't feel I'm using search in a particularly strange way. For example, if I need to know how the new WidgetBean in SpringBoot works I'll usually end…

I'll try to get back with some numbers later today.

This month, sorry for the crazy date formatting, I copied it from the Kagi UI:

  Date (UTC) Searches
  Apr 28, 2023 23
  Apr 27, 2023 11
  Apr 26, 2023 24
  Apr 25, 2023 4
  Apr 24, 2023 18
  Apr 23, 2023 7
  Apr 22, 2023 1
  Apr 21, 2023 6
  Apr 20, 2023 7
  Apr 19, 2023 10
  Apr 17, 2023 18
  Apr 16, 2023 1
  Apr 15, 2023 14
  Apr 14, 2023 22
  Apr 13, 2023 7
  Apr 12, 2023 18
  Apr 11, 2023 11
  Apr 10, 2023 13
  Apr 9, 2023 4
  Apr 8, 2023 15
  Apr 7, 2023 7
  Apr 6, 2023 6
  Apr 5, 2023 7
  Apr 4, 2023 12
  Apr 3, 2023 19
  Apr 2, 2023 11
  Apr 1, 2023 15
The last few months:

  (UTC) Searches
  Apr 2023 311
  Mar 2023 495
  Feb 2023 313
  Jan 2023 434
  Dec 2022 386
  Nov 2022 396
  Oct 2022 425
How I search:

I typically start with one of the same type of queries as you did above, then I open every interesting-looking page from the first query in a nested tab (I use tree style tabs in my "research" browser) and start reading them, ctrl-clicking again to open interesting links in new tabs nested in a new level beneath, closing pages that was clearly useless and bookmarking in raindrop if I immediately sense that the oage I am on is something I will need again.

Once I have exhausted this tree, at least temporarily, I start a new search - like you do - in a new top level tab anf create a new tree from it.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by rainburg »

freediver wrote: post #235
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #154

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As an early adopter, I reluctantly cancelled my Kagi plan today. It’s a great search engine, but even while just restricting it to one of my desktop machines and not using it on mobile at all, I ran up against the search limit with 10 days to go before renewal.

There is no search limit on Kagi. Do you mean you were not comfortable to pay 1.5 cents per search?

Not OP, but… I don’t consider myself a “power user”, but as it turns out, I use search for nearly everything: reviews, code snippets, spelling, cafes, stores, apps, news, products, files… But, perhaps, the most common type of search is when you read a text or hear something and think: “Hey, what’s that?”

And so I easily make 50–100 searches per day when I don’t even feel I’m actively searching for anything. And if I'm in a research mode, the count goes beyond that.

I noticed that only after I’ve subscribed to Kagi. After realising that I’ll burn throw the plan’s allowance very quickly, I tried doing most of my “dumb” searches via Google, and more important stuff — via Kagi. But that introduces a cognitive load, and kills the point of using a paid search engine.

Perhaps, I should switch to the $25 plan, but I can’t justify paying $250–$300 annually for a search engine, even though I have nothing against the idea of paying for one. Unfortunately, it’s too much for me. Nevertheless, I’m rooting for Kagi because it ticks all the boxes for me, and provides value. I hope that operational costs go down, and more people could use it.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by riku_iki »

eitland wrote: post #455
riku_iki wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that niche engine looks like many magnitudes simpler problem than building competitive modern search.

Marginalia is a niche engine for now, yes, but what it does, it does correctly, unlike Google that has been silently rewriting my queries since before 2013: https://techinorg.blogspot.com/2013/03/what-is-going-on-with...

someone in google according to some metrics decided it is something majority of users wants.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by matt-attack »

GCA10 wrote: post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

I’m pretty sure that’s how, say, Expedia makes their money. Traditional hotel reservation permit very late cancellation (24hrs typically). Hotels are willing to offer a reduced rate if you promise to not cancel.

So Expedia is just a front for that other class of bookings that are non-cancellable and they skim a profit from that. Hotels save face as they can just fingerpoint if someone complains yet they gain by getting the non-cancelable bookings.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by jug »

GCA10 wrote: post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

> even DuckDuckGo

It's because DDG pays Microsoft to use the Bing index for most search stuff.

I always find it funny when people swear by DDG and hate on Bing... :P

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