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Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by meindnoch »

itsoktocry wrote: post #12
0zemp2c wrote: post #2

hard to feel sorry for Intel here they're still tied to Windows which is increasingly weaker and more rotted over time, losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) the Apple M1 laptop is an incredible value, offers 10x the performance the average person will need, with good battery life, a better OS/ecosystem...and its priced right! Intel needs to seriously look at Linux..…

> losing market share every year for a decade (Microsoft doesn't even seem to care afaict) Of course they care. Windows, at one point, had 95% market share. Do you believe that to be sustainable? Do we want that? No, in both cases. They are still dominant in desktop computing. > offers 10x the performance the average person will need Why is buying something 10x more powerful than you'd need at 2x the price "good valu…

>Why is buying something 10x more powerful than you'd need at 2x the price "good value"?

M1 performance won't be more than you need for long. When the dev community finishes transitioning to M1/2, that will be the performance baseline for lazy websites and electron apps. Intel laptops will have their CPUs pegged to 100% constantly when running more than one tab in Chrome. We're already seeing this at my company. Intel performance regressions are discovered the last minute before release, because everyone is using M1. And the solution is usually just to turn off the offending feature for Intel Macs. It's legacy.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by epiccoleman »

I live in Columbus, and over the next few years I expect a lot of shakeup to occur as a result of the Intel fab(s) being built nearby. It's been interesting to see the turbulence around Intel of late, given what a huge investment we're expecting to see from them in Ohio (not to mention the huge investment the state will be making into Intel, via tax abatements and other incentives).

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by allie1 »

neogodless wrote: post #26
allie1 wrote: post #10

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The x86 ecosystem is far superior to Apple Silicon, and that is not going away any time soon. Macs have one big advantage - efficiency, which translates to long battery life and more importantly for me personally - NOT OVERHEATING. However, porting software to apple silicon results in inefficiencies, and for developers it gets a bit trickier. I have a M1 Max with 65GB ram and I love it, but the moment Intel comes out…

> chip that doesn't overheat and is as performant Does it have to be Intel, or would you consider AMD? Yes, if you look back even just to Zen / Zen+ laptop chips, they were not impressive, but Zen 2 and newer based chips (Ryzen 4000 or higher) are performant, efficient, and do not overheat. There are some crazy 7045HX chips that are basically desktop chips that you wouldn't want in your laptop, but the 7040HS line is…

This is helpful, thank you. I prefer Intel due to personal biases, but I will research AMD.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by allie1 »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #15
allie1 wrote: post #10

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The x86 ecosystem is far superior to Apple Silicon, and that is not going away any time soon. Macs have one big advantage - efficiency, which translates to long battery life and more importantly for me personally - NOT OVERHEATING. However, porting software to apple silicon results in inefficiencies, and for developers it gets a bit trickier. I have a M1 Max with 65GB ram and I love it, but the moment Intel comes out…

What inefficiency are you talking about? Graviton instances in aws run general software better than x86.

I was referring to personal computer usage. Yes, usage specific chips can be a better option, but as far as general processing/usage is concerned, I'd take x86 over Apple Silicon any day of the week.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by allie1 »

Panzer04 wrote: post #22
allie1 wrote: post #10

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The x86 ecosystem is far superior to Apple Silicon, and that is not going away any time soon. Macs have one big advantage - efficiency, which translates to long battery life and more importantly for me personally - NOT OVERHEATING. However, porting software to apple silicon results in inefficiencies, and for developers it gets a bit trickier. I have a M1 Max with 65GB ram and I love it, but the moment Intel comes out…

Overheating is entirely down to the profiles the manufacturers use. Intel processors can be efficient, but usually they get clocked to the moon on desktop. Laptops are so all over the place it's impossible to judge them either :/

I haven't tried limiting clock speeds to keep the laptop cool, and it seems a bit crazy investment to buy a laptop to try that, but I do have an old MBP with Intel that I can test this with.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by smolder »

sokoloff wrote: post #24
shortrounddev wrote: post #17

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> 5 years Because Apple will forcibly kill it after that with incompatible software updates. Windows machines keep going until they physically break. But what everyone here is missing is that the consumer desktop/laptop market is dying itself. Soon it will only be for enterprise uses and gaming. Most people do all their computing through a phone or tablet. I know people who don't own a laptop.

> Windows machines keep going until they physically break. That's interesting, as I just this month replaced the two kids' Dell 9020s with new PCs because the 9020s didn't support TPM 2.0, required by Windows 11. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enable-tpm-2-0-o... "Most PCs that have shipped in the last 5 years are capable of running Trusted Platform Module version 2.0 (TPM 2.0). TPM 2.0 is required to ru…

There's really no point to upgrading to win 11, especially if it's unsupported by your working PC.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by surgical_fire »

windowsrookie wrote: post #98
surgical_fire wrote: post #84

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> The M1 MacBook Air is regularly on sale for $800 or less. I'm not sure how you can consider that an "over expensive toy". It comes with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of disk. Do you really need to ask why I call it an over expensive toy?

Like I said it is competitive with other computers in its class. The Surface Laptop 5 is $1000 and also comes with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD. And MacOS Performas much better with 8GB than windows does.

If your point is comparing over expensive toys, sure thing.

I wouldn't buy either of those.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by tonightstoast »

wslh wrote: post #16

Only the paranoid survive [1] I don't think Intel passed Andy Grove's wisdom to the organization. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove

“Business success contains the seeds of its own destruction. Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive.” Andy Grove

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by smolder »

sokoloff wrote: post #40
Eisenstein wrote: post #30

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I'm curious why you felt you needed to upgrade. To my knowledge Windows 11 doesn't do anything that Windows 10 cannot, except for support Intel e cores.

They wanted to play Valorant with their friends; the anti-cheat code did not work on the 9020 on Windows 10; there was a limited amount of time I was willing to spend to find a cheaper workaround for a machine that’s 9 years old, with the prospect of doing the same again 6 months later. That was the actual driver, though this thread is about OS vendors forcing changes in order to run the latest OS, which is why I foc…

I don't believe you needed to upgrade to windows 11 for valorant compatibility. You just needed to be on a recent build of windows 10, downloaded from windows update.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by lotsofpulp »

heavyset_go wrote: post #68
sokoloff wrote: post #11

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You can buy an M1 8/256 Air at $800 right now. I'd expect to get 5 years out of it minimum (we're buying one shortly to replace a mid-2013 Air). That's less than $15/month if it gets thrown in a bin in 5 years. It's under $20/mo if we bin it in 3.5 years. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m... I feel like the Chromebook on the lower end is great for a lot of uses/people and the Air is an easi…

You could buy a laptop with 16GB to 32GB of memory and more than double the storage space for $800, and you can buy laptops that you can actually upgrade the hardware on. You can also spend less and get a similarly spec'd laptop. I just picked up a new laptop with 16GB/1TB and 8 cores for $500 and upgraded it to 64GB of memory for $100. I bought a low end Mac in 2015 with the same 8GB/256GB specs, 8GB wasn't enough e…

I have an 8GB/256GB 2015 MacBook Air. I use it for web browsing, messaging, spreadsheets, watching media, email, and photos. It has worked fine for me the whole time, and I usually have it connected to an external display.

I doubt 80%, maybe even 90%, of the population needs anything more than that.

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