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Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by mrtksn »

mschild wrote: post #82
mrtksn wrote: post #77

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If you can't afford $900 you shouldn't be buying a laptop unless you absolutely need it in short term to get out of your current situation. You are probably in a precarious state, not really a chooser at this time and all you can do is to sort by price and buy the cheapest.

Thats an incredibly privileged view on this. The world doesn't run high paying western salaries. Most people earn significantly less. The average monthly indian salary, by now the largest country in the world population wise, is roundabout 450 USD. Your advice boils down to just get richer and don't be poor.

My advice is, don't spend your money on low quality stuff unless you absolutely have to(i.e. maybe you will do some data entry stuff to buy food, then maybe you can spent a few hundred dollars on a laptop but if you are not in that kind of a situation save up buy something of good value later).

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by neogodless »

windowsrookie wrote: post #78
PretzelPirate wrote: post #54

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My parents aren't technical and don't see the builtin ads and news feed as being user hostile. They like that candy crush is pre-installed and that Windows shows them random spam news articles that they find interesting. I hate it and use a Mac, but I suspect most users aren't like you and me.

In the short-term, Targeting older people (like your parents) who don't care works for Microsoft. But eventually they won't be around anymore. Take a look around and most people under 30 seem to have a MacBook. At least here in my area of the United States.

I always wonder how people meet enough random samplings of young people to get this information!

I have 9 nieces and nephews, plus some neighbor friends that have kids. Of them, maybe 2 or 3 use iPads. The ones that have laptops (other than school provided) have them for PC gaming, and they run Windows. I guess I'm in a different area of the U.S. from you, based on my anecdotal data.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by mrtksn »

heavyset_go wrote: post #83
mrtksn wrote: post #76

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The screen will be terrible, the performance will be 1/3 of the M1 air, the battery life will be useless and the device itself will be heavy. Bad deal overall. At that price I would prefer a Chromebook.

AMD's 5nm chips compete with and outperform the M1, low end laptops ship with 16GB of media by default, 8-10h of battery life is good enough for most people and Dell XPS laptops, for example, weigh 1.17kg, which is less than the M1 Air.

Can you give me a link to such a device? Sub 1000 laptop with 10H battery life, lighter and smaller than Air, higher performance than M1 sounds good.

I wonder why people buy those about Air heavy, about Air performing premium and expensive laptops then.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by danaris »

heavyset_go wrote: post #72
shinycode wrote: post #46

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But it’s more than RAM and it’s enough even for web dev so for most people it’s way enough

I tried to do web dev on an 8GB Mac and it wasn't fun. If you use an IDE, it will be constrained for memory if you have things like browser windows open, you will have a bad time if you try to open multiple projects and running Docker made it all worse. Virtual machines were out of the question which made mobile app development difficult. If you can stick with a terminal or some lightweight editors, 8GB might be okay…

Did you try it on an Apple Silicon Mac?

There was a lot of discussion of this at the time the M1s first came out, with loads of people (who had never touched one) confidently declaring that 8GB of RAM was far too little...and then nearly everyone who actually bought an 8GB M1 Mac saying "yeah, it might not handle heavy loads well, but that's what the Pro machines are for—in normal use, it has no problem at all with 8GB."

And then a bunch more people talking in a fair amount of detail (that kind of went over my head) about what Apple did to improve memory management with the M1 so that this would be possible.

So don't assume that 8GB on an Intel Mac is the same as 8GB on an Apple Silicon Mac.

Now, it does sound like you were trying to run a whole bunch of rather heavy stuff on it—y'know, the stuff that one might call "pro", and possibly even buy a "pro" machine for? The kind of thing where if you're buying the absolute bottom of the line, you might be able to expect that it wouldn't work well.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by bhouston »

mschild wrote: post #67
bhouston wrote: post #60

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> The M1 is a good chip, but Macs are expensive. Cheapest one you can currently buy is the Air. That starts at 1k USD pretax. Get the MacMini. The low end M2 Mac mini is $599.00 USD right now, although the one I run for my desktop is the more expensive one at $2,199 with 32GB, more cores, more gpu and more drive space.

That's not a laptop so you still need to buy a screen, keyboard, and mouse.

Adding that will add another $150 if you buy it at Walmart. You are correct.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by danaris »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #42
whynotmaybe wrote: post #25

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The "niche" market is corporate and gouv. These industries won't buy macs as they are too expensive to maintain and to integrate into their existing active directory domains. (With a few exceptions for jobs where the Mac is the optimal device like graphic design) No idea about percentage but windows won't disappear soon from those. The android market share is mainly mobile devices and Microsoft gave that market up a…

(Not sure if your last sentence was a joke meant to undermine your argument preceding it? Maybe by mainframe though you're referring to servers.) I generally agree with your point though but I am seeing that as more and more of office work moves to living within a web browser, it is becoming more hardware agnostic.

I was doing work on an IBM AS/400 mainframe in my previous job, just over a decade ago. It supported Java and Tomcat (which was fairly current at the time) out of the box. The only oddity I needed to deal with was making sure I had a proper JDBC driver for its DB/2 database.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I don't have to deal with it anymore, but mainframes are definitely still around.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by drumhead »

Aromasin wrote: post #81
zpeti wrote: post #34

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Stock is up 5% as of posting this, so I think the market already priced in something even worse potentially.

36% down YoY, but they beat investor Q1 consensus. Analysts predicted worse than this, so they've exceeded market expectations. Sapphire Rapids is only just starting to ramp sales, and the Emerald/Granite Rapids & Sierra Forest roadmaps are on track, which is the first time the Xeons have looked healthy in nearly 4 or 5 years. They trimmed the fat by selling off all businesses but their core ones, and are announcing…

For something of its size and potential its way too cheap.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by windowsrookie »

surgical_fire wrote: post #84
windowsrookie wrote: post #80

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The M1 MacBook Air is regularly on sale for $800 or less. I'm not sure how you can consider that an "over expensive toy". It's competitive and often beating Windows Laptops at that price. The M1 chip is 2 years old now, and still competitive. I can understand hating the OS. But MacOS is my preferred OS, I really don't like Windows or Linux. MacOS just works. Linux and Windows always have some driver/kernel/etc. updat…

> The M1 MacBook Air is regularly on sale for $800 or less. I'm not sure how you can consider that an "over expensive toy". It comes with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of disk. Do you really need to ask why I call it an over expensive toy?

Like I said it is competitive with other computers in its class. The Surface Laptop 5 is $1000 and also comes with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD. And MacOS Performas much better with 8GB than windows does.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by windowsrookie »

neogodless wrote: post #92
windowsrookie wrote: post #78

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In the short-term, Targeting older people (like your parents) who don't care works for Microsoft. But eventually they won't be around anymore. Take a look around and most people under 30 seem to have a MacBook. At least here in my area of the United States.

I always wonder how people meet enough random samplings of young people to get this information! I have 9 nieces and nephews, plus some neighbor friends that have kids. Of them, maybe 2 or 3 use iPads. The ones that have laptops (other than school provided) have them for PC gaming, and they run Windows. I guess I'm in a different area of the U.S. from you, based on my anecdotal data.

I should clarify, When I say people under 30 I'm talking about young adults who are purchasing their own Laptop. Not children. So the 21-30 age group.

Re: Intel posts largest loss in its history as sales plunge

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Post by windowsrookie »

heavyset_go wrote: post #83
mrtksn wrote: post #76

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The screen will be terrible, the performance will be 1/3 of the M1 air, the battery life will be useless and the device itself will be heavy. Bad deal overall. At that price I would prefer a Chromebook.

AMD's 5nm chips compete with and outperform the M1, low end laptops ship with 16GB of media by default, 8-10h of battery life is good enough for most people and Dell XPS laptops, for example, weigh 1.17kg, which is less than the M1 Air.

The M1 MacBook Air lasts over 12 hours on battery and runs silently and cool while being fanless. I purchased mine new on sale for $750. Where is this magical laptop that beats the M1 Air?
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