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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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post #10

I've set Brave Search to be my default search engine for private windows (incognito mode). I've grown annoyed by the cookie consent dialogs and captchas that are presented to me by Google when I open Google's search engine in a private window. Brave Search doesn't have those annoyances.

In Brave Browser, it does that automatically when you switch to the private mode.

It lands you on Brave Search instead of what you have set for your regular sessions.

Fine by me.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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post #256
post #255

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If you’re booked 3rd party you’re much more likely to be the one bumped I. The first place. You’re also likely to get the least desireable rooms on the least desireable floors.

People say that but it doesn't ring true in my experience. Let's face it, you're just paying more for the same service if you book directly.

I'll tell you a story about Booking.com. I booked an ostensibly available hotel in Ouray, CO in fairly peak season. I got there and they of course, had already sold the booking beforehand and because the systems didn't link up correctly Booking's availability was not updated. It was the hotel's fault, but it didn't matter. Not a single other hotel in Ouray had availability, and, if you happen to know the area, anything that resembles a hotel outside of Ouray is going to be a significantly long drive.

Booking.com was zero help at all when I called them. None. They couldn't find or book me another hotel, and basically just told me that there was nothing they could do besides refund my money.

There are many, many stories like this.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like Booking. I think it's a great way for smaller properties to get visibility without having to build and maintain that web presence themselves. But when it goes wrong, don't expect them to go to bat for you. They are incentivized to keep making money, and threatening to delist hotels for fucking over customers when the hotel clearly messed up is clearly not a game they have decided to play.

I always book directly with the hotel if I can, because, if you do that, the shit that I mentioned just doesn't happen. Sure, if it's double the price, I'll roll the dice with Booking. But it basically never is. If it's something like 5-10% of the nightly price extra, I'll pay that premium to not have to deal with any BS. Usually it's the exact same price anyway, if it's an available option (there are some hotels that literally only survive via Booking these days).

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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post #213

Are there any details about how they're crawling the web? I've never encountered the BraveBot User-Agent and never heard of such crawler.

I'm not sure about the crawler itself, but they do get some of their data from the Web Discovery Project.

What percentage of it, I have no idea.

https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409406835469-Wh...

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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post #221
post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

> (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Booking, Travelocity, Expedia, etc., it's somewhere between hard and hopeless.) That's utterly backwards IME. On Booking.com, most modifications are the push of a button (that, crucially, is right there in the UI that I already kn…

tangential, but booking.com is an unscrupulous company, no one should use them on moral grounds

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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post #279
post #276

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I've heard booking.com forbids them to charge first-party customers less than the booking.com price, and the hotel is beholden to the site for income so they play along. The only people booking directly are basically idiots, so for those people they charge as much as they can. In the UK there are large chains such as Travelodge who have pulled out from booking.com entirely and made people go to their site.

And yes downvote me but maybe think about whether spending more money going to first-party sites is actually serving you?

While I didn't downvote you, I'm one of those "idiots" who tends to book directly on hotel web sites because I'm a member of several free-to-join hotel loyalty programs. The aggregators generally do not beat prices available for members (which, again, I can be for free). It's not uncommon for me to find specials, room types, or even availability, period, available on the direct sites that the aggregators don't have. And I have never once been told "sorry, we can't find your reservation" if I book on the direct website, whereas I absolutely have run into that issue -- albeit generally with independent hotels and B&Bs -- when booking through aggregators.

But, sure, I'm obviously an idiot! I'm just over here drooling stupidly while I get better and/or cheaper hotel rooms.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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"politics" is one way to describe him donating a large sum of money to a bigoted anti-gay cause and losing the trust of his employees.

Yeah, but ... It was a political effort. It was a movement that used the existing mechanism to promote a law they wanted, not a mob trying to get their way by shouting down others. You may not like how the process works, but it works the same for everyone. Trying to smear the ones you don't agree with as not legitimate doesn't work, because it's the process that you're smearing.

I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law."

It sounds like your biggest priority in determining ethicality is legality: did anything illegal happen in the "cancellation" of the Brave founder? (I know nothing about this event, I'm just commenting within the context of this short conversation).

If not, how then are you determining one method being better than another?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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As an early adopter, I reluctantly cancelled my Kagi plan today. It’s a great search engine, but even while just restricting it to one of my desktop machines and not using it on mobile at all, I ran up against the search limit with 10 days to go before renewal.

There is no search limit on Kagi. Do you mean you were not comfortable to pay 1.5 cents per search?

Well yeah because ballparking at somewhere around 7k monthly searches that would be a hundred dollar monthly bill or a two hundred dollar bill if I wanted API because team plans increase the search cost for some reason.

To be fair this is why the $25 plan exists but if the economics are to be believed is totally unsustainable. For me 1.5¢/search is a really awkward spot. Fixed cost unlimited and GPT cheap pricing of $0.000002/token hit "use without thinking" status but at 1.5/2.5¢ I could actually rack up a rather large bill by accident so it causes me to use the service less.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

#290
post #8

How is it that Brave managed to build an indexer and remove dependence on Bing in less than two years but DuckDuckGo hasn't been able to do it in a decade.

Like 90% of my searches on DDG just show me a blank page now. What is going on?
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