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Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by timbit42 »

caycep wrote: post #9
pachico wrote: post #4

Just the fastest and most ergonomic browser I've tried. I wish Firefox was like Brave, to be honest. Until that happens, I'll stick to Brave for both mobile and desktop.

I use both. Brave is better for the "chromium only" wonky websites/webapps. But the whole altruistic privacy thing is kind of undercut, at least optics-wise, by all the crypto/gamification upsell present by default. Not good when your supposedly privacy-focused browser requires extensive fiddling in the settings to shut everything off on initial install a-la Windows 11...

Why did you enable the crypto features if you don't want them?

Oh. You didn't? Then what are you complaining about?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by mardifoufs »

lisasays wrote: post #198
mardifoufs wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a massive difference between ranking stuff based on relevance and not getting RT articles when... searching for RT. (They rolled back the block pretty quickly, so they seem to agree with that too) You are basically arguing for a slippery slope argument. Because they already need some editorial control to filter spam and obviously irrelevant material does not mean that every type of filtering/block listing is…

It pretty much was just about fake news and trash results, actually. RT really is pure garbage, by its very intent and purpose. I do agree that blocking RT outright was overreach and somewhat silly. However, I imagine it comes more from a gut feeling of disgust and "this is bullshit" then than some ultraelitist, "gotta protect the unwashed masses from harmful ideas that may bring the global order into question" motiv…

Yes, but they could've just blacklisted or downranked it based on already existing rules about fake news. But they instead went ahead and basically created a rule for Russian content specifically.

I don't even doubt DDGs intentions, but that's the thing... in most cases, people who want to suppress or filter out speech/news/etc usually have good intentions because as you said they genuinely think it is harmful content. That's the whole issue! And it's why it's usually such a thorny debate.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by ulfw »

GCA10 wrote: post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

Do you have any specific one in mind? Because while it's nice to blame Google, my experience has been quite different.

I just tried the last two boutique hotels I stayed at. For one in Tel Aviv the Google and Brave results were exactly the same. First was the hotels' own website, second was tripadvisor, third was booking.com.

The other in Buenos Aires, Google had the same order (hotel, then trip, then booking), Brave did not. Brave showed booking.com, then hotel website, then tripadvisor.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by mike_d »

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #222
lmm wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Booking, Travelocity, Expedia, etc., it's somewhere between hard and hopeless.) That's utterly backwards IME. On Booking.com, most modifications are the push of a button (that, crucially, is right there in the UI that I already kn…

The problem is that Booking.com/Expedia/etc can't be trusted to book a real reservation. You never know if they're overbooking a hotel (and indeed I've been bitten by this multiple times). By booking with the actual hotel's web site, you at least know you have a room. If the price of that certainty is a little bit of extra UX friction (or making a phone call, which I'll soon be able to delegate to an AI anyway), that…

Overbooking is never the fault of third party sites, they literally make an API call in real time and ask if they have inventory available. For smaller chains and boutique hotels the backend is probably a system that is calling into the HMS in the same way Expedia would.

What you are experiencing is either the hotel manager verbally committing to rooms and not logging them into the computer to try and skim money, or they had something happen that impacted availability (no hot water, housekeeping couldn't turn over rooms, etc)

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by freediver »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #154
Spivak wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much how all small search engines work, but with varying backing indexes. Kagi's value-add is Google quality index (since they literally pay for it), no ads, their ranking algorithm, and tools to control the results that Google doesn't give you like blacklists and your own weights. $25/mo is unfortunately a little steep because their lower priced option with 700 searches/month is comically small. On jus…

As an early adopter, I reluctantly cancelled my Kagi plan today. It’s a great search engine, but even while just restricting it to one of my desktop machines and not using it on mobile at all, I ran up against the search limit with 10 days to go before renewal.

There is no search limit on Kagi. Do you mean you were not comfortable to pay 1.5 cents per search?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by freediver »

ddtaylor wrote: post #49

Sadly it failed my test. When I search for "Python str split" it includes trash results and midway down the first page of results is the python API documentation after some YouTube videos, W3Schools and "GeeksForGeeks" spam garbage. DuckDuckGo at least has the results correct for this case and an infocard on the side that understands it's a Python related API question with relevant examples and links.

How is this?

https://kagi.com/search?q=Python+str+split&r=us&sh=gJnPl4gj5...

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by kilroy123 »

EMM_386 wrote: post #203

I first used Firefox when it was Phoenix, back in 2002. You downloaded a zip file, extracted it and ran it. For the next 20 years I used Firefox. But I could feel the performance difference from Chromium browsers. I finally threw in the towel and switched to Brave out of the collection of them now. I hated switching because it meant yet another user lost to one of the remaining handful of unique engines for browsing…

I'm am exactly the same. I feel bad not using Firefox but yes I also feel the pain of the performance issues.

I do feel like brave drains the battery pretty badly on macOS.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by lmm »

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #222
lmm wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Booking, Travelocity, Expedia, etc., it's somewhere between hard and hopeless.) That's utterly backwards IME. On Booking.com, most modifications are the push of a button (that, crucially, is right there in the UI that I already kn…

The problem is that Booking.com/Expedia/etc can't be trusted to book a real reservation. You never know if they're overbooking a hotel (and indeed I've been bitten by this multiple times). By booking with the actual hotel's web site, you at least know you have a room. If the price of that certainty is a little bit of extra UX friction (or making a phone call, which I'll soon be able to delegate to an AI anyway), that…

Again that's the opposite of my experience. When I reserve on Booking.com my reservation is always there (and I can see a confirmation of it whenever I want). When I reserve directly, who knows.

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by throwaway2037 »

GCA10 wrote: post #26

Just started testing Brave Search, and it scored a rare 100 on the first test: If you type in the name of a favorite boutique hotel, will you get that hotel's true website -- or the usual hairball of third-party intermediaries? (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Book…

"modify a reservation": The posts below are trying to guess the exactly meaning of this phrase. Can you provide some specific examples?

Re: Every web search result in Brave Search is now served by our own index

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Post by throwaway2037 »

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #222
lmm wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (For anyone who's ever tried to modify a reservation, the difference is astonishing. If you're booked with the hotel, all kinds of adjustments are at least possible. If you're booked with Booking, Travelocity, Expedia, etc., it's somewhere between hard and hopeless.) That's utterly backwards IME. On Booking.com, most modifications are the push of a button (that, crucially, is right there in the UI that I already kn…

The problem is that Booking.com/Expedia/etc can't be trusted to book a real reservation. You never know if they're overbooking a hotel (and indeed I've been bitten by this multiple times). By booking with the actual hotel's web site, you at least know you have a room. If the price of that certainty is a little bit of extra UX friction (or making a phone call, which I'll soon be able to delegate to an AI anyway), that…

overbooking / "I've been bitten by this multiple times": Did you arrive and the hotel didn't have any spare rooms? What happened next? I have never once heard of such a thing. And you said multiple times. What kinds of hotels are these???
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