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Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by zamnos »

fsckboy wrote: post #51
threeseed wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS/iPadOS does allow you to have one code base that dynamically responds to screen sizes. But almost always the experience for iPad users is terrible. Which is why Apple's initial approach of forcing developers to build distinct iPad apps was the right one and a large reason why its tablets dominated the market versus Android competitors.

> iOS/iPadOS does allow you to have one code base that dynamically responds to screen sizes. But almost always the experience for iPad users is terrible. are you saying the tools aren't there for developers to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps, or simply that the developers aren't able to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps? Or that designers can't grok the mapping between their equally plea…

I'd say it's on the other end. users can't find the apps which are properly designed for tablets, and get tired of wading through crap to find them. the tips are totally there, but if you search for, eg, python, you can be sure the iPadOS app is decent and designed for ipad, vs you have no idea if the Android app is actually pleasing on tablet.

That developers have the tools and can or cannot use the tools is secondary to that, imo.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by scarface74 »

cma wrote: post #45
jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

Don't purchases literally work between the iPad and iOS stores in most cases?

I have one app that doesn’t have an iPhone equivalent - Duet.

But a developer can sell separate iPad versions of an app. Most don’t anymore.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by scarface74 »

nottorp wrote: post #52
apetresc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the definition of a VLOP is >45M MAU, and the iOS store is the only one that's even remotely close to being over that, what do you object with in this characterization? Also you left out the very next sentence , which completely reverses the interpretation you're trying to imply: > Nonetheless, Apple intends, on an entirely voluntary basis, to align each of the existing versions of the App Store (including…

> the iOS store is the only one that's even remotely close to being over that What iOS store? They're all one and the same. You can install iOS apps on iPadOS right? It doesn't matter that they "voluntarily comply". They just shouldn't have the nerve to split them.

You can’t install iPad only apps on iPhone though.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by scarface74 »

ryanfreeborn wrote: post #21
CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

Purely anecdotal but I know way more TVs with an Apple TV device than I know humans with an Apple watch. In most cases they are households with many TV-Apple TV pairings, and maybe one or two people in the household have an Apple watch.

Apple sells far more watches than AppleTVs by every estimate that you can find.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by threeseed »

fsckboy wrote: post #51
threeseed wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS/iPadOS does allow you to have one code base that dynamically responds to screen sizes. But almost always the experience for iPad users is terrible. Which is why Apple's initial approach of forcing developers to build distinct iPad apps was the right one and a large reason why its tablets dominated the market versus Android competitors.

> iOS/iPadOS does allow you to have one code base that dynamically responds to screen sizes. But almost always the experience for iPad users is terrible. are you saying the tools aren't there for developers to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps, or simply that the developers aren't able to create equally pleasing (mutatis mutandis) apps? Or that designers can't grok the mapping between their equally plea…

There is no tool that can scale a mobile app to tablet size whilst maintaining a great UX.

You need to optimise for the particulars of each device.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by madsbuch »

rootusrootus wrote: post #58
smoldesu wrote: post #14

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

> The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push I'd expect that writing this phrase caused actual physical pain from the cognitive dissonance.

Why? A big part of governance is to ensure individual freedom: Minimum salary, unions, etc.

The comment seems to be perfectly congruent.

(Though you have to accept a more ... European world view)

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by ezfe »

rpgbr wrote: post #66

Less than 1% of European iPhone users have an Apple Watch, or am I misreading something? I really thought this percentage was bigger in such a rich place.

I interpret this to be users of the service, not users of the device the service supports. Most users probably don't open the Watch app store and use the iPhone app store instead.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by glompers »

fsckboy wrote: post #32
jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

> iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store the whole idea that applications written in software shouldn't handle screensize differences (and dynamic changes) intelligently is just so broken. I get that feeling in the pit of my stomach like "who let these people in? is the door wide open out there?" i mean, to each their own, that's just me, but that's how I feel software should be written, and while we're at…

I like your comment and not because I polemically see this as correct compared to the other people who disagree with you. I think it is a good comment although I don't agree with you, so thanks, and (on second thought I suppose you comment frequently so I am not referencing any other comments in general but) happy to hear more of your sensibility in various threads.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by smoldesu »

rootusrootus wrote: post #58
smoldesu wrote: post #14

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

> The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push I'd expect that writing this phrase caused actual physical pain from the cognitive dissonance.

The freedom-loving part of me also cheers on the Right to Repair, even though it isn't a truly libertarian ideal. Is there a problem with that?

Preserving individual freedom is what keeps the free market in check. It is precisely the thing stopping 1984 from being like 1984.

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