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Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by ryanfreeborn » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

Purely anecdotal but I know way more TVs with an Apple TV device than I know humans with an Apple watch. In most cases they are households with many TV-Apple TV pairings, and maybe one or two people in the household have an Apple watch.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by knaik94 » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #17

smoldesu wrote: post #14

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

It'll be interesting if the plot is twisted and instead the EU requires Google to limit Android to only Google Playstore.

That would imply that Amazon app store or Samsung app store apps are illegal content. While they are not as popular in the US, these alernate apps stores have existed for years on android without issue.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by tpmx » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

Apple TV (the hardware, not the streaming service) is so underappreciated. The smooth task switching alone makes it worth a buy. I think it's severely undermarketed.

And the old touch remote that so many people hated.. I like it so much.

(Haven't tried the newest remote that has a combined d-pad/touch area because of troglodyte customer feedback ( ;) ) but I suspect I will hate it since the touchpad area is so much smaller.)

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by anonymouse008 » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:18 PM UTC

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

Eh, I get the position here. Different device classes, different markets.

I've gotten more than a few apps approved on tv, watch, Mac, iOS, iPad. They are distinctly different. As much as Apple is helping us leverage 'one code base to rule them all' there are so many gotchas and detail required to make great experiences on each.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by anonymouse008 » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:20 PM UTC

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

Wow, they may 'sell' millions in the market, but many end up in a drawer, or rarely seen as anything other than a wrist worn notification device. This information is beautiful! Reaffirms the true value of these things.

(Well that, or the metric is truly skewed not including companion apps - though that would feel disingenuous)

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by wildredkraut » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:23 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #19

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

Note that this is the Digital Services Act compliance, and not the Digital Markets Act which affects sideloading.

Yes I know, and they share the same AppleIDs/AppleID Backend/Purchages. These AppStores are not fully independent and have to be seen as one. Many Apps even share the same binaries and are cross Apple Device available. You can install iPhone Apps on iPads, and you can install iPad Apps on Macs.

That won't work on court.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by plufz » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:23 PM UTC

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

> I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users

Anecdotal but everyone in my proximity that uses apple products have an apple tv. My mother, my father, etc. Very few have an apple watch. That’s like me and my developer friends or friends who are more nerdy about workout.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:24 PM UTC

wildredkraut wrote: post #26

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is the Digital Services Act compliance, and not the Digital Markets Act which affects sideloading.

Yes I know, and they share the same AppleIDs/AppleID Backend/Purchages. These AppStores are not fully independent and have to be seen as one. Many Apps even share the same binaries and are cross Apple Device available. You can install iPhone Apps on iPads, and you can install iPad Apps on Macs. That won't work on court.

> That won't work on court.

How do you know? If there was no chance of it working, you would think Apple's lawyers would have said so.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by alberth » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:25 PM UTC

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

> I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

Probably because they don't exceed the 45MM MAU threshold.

> Online platforms with 45 million or more average monthly active recipients

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by threeseed » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:25 PM UTC

wildredkraut wrote: post #15

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

I don’t think they will be out of scope, because they all uses the same AppleID backend and users can cross login with the same AppleID everywhere. To be out of scope, Apple would have to block iOS AppleIDs and iOS purchases from working on the other gadgets and stores.

They share the same AppleID backend.

But users don't have to use the same login for each store.