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Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by radicaldreamer »

theseanstewart wrote: post #6
CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

> Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. What's special about 8.2.3 vs the latest firmware? I've only owned my Shield for a few months so I'm curious what I may be missing.

I think its about external storage: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShieldAndroidTV/comments/yjt6aq/wha...

Not really relevant if you're mostly streaming on the box or streaming locally from a file/plex server

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

theseanstewart wrote: post #6
CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

> Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. What's special about 8.2.3 vs the latest firmware? I've only owned my Shield for a few months so I'm curious what I may be missing.

I'm not sure either, are they referring to the shitty new home screen courtesy of Google? That comes in separate of the firmware.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

The Apple Watch will automatically install the watchOS app for each iOS app you install on your phone by default, if a watchOS app exists for the iOS app. I don't know if the auto installs count towards user visits to the watchOS App Store. I don't think I've ever used the watchOS store, and my watch is full of apps.

https://support.apple.com/guide/watch/get-more-apps-apd99e3c....

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by smoldesu »

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content.

An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device.

The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me knows that this is an amazing deal for the regulator, a literal Golden Apple if you will. Apple is signalling cooperation here, and attaching it to a "think of the children/terrorists" sentiment that most politicians will jump on. It's a damn good strategy, and would almost be impressive if it wasn't used in a desperate struggle to stop the user from installing F-Droid on iOS.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by wildredkraut »

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

I don’t think they will be out of scope, because they all uses the same AppleID backend and users can cross login with the same AppleID everywhere. To be out of scope, Apple would have to block iOS AppleIDs and iOS purchases from working on the other gadgets and stores.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by MBCook »

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

iTunes and Apple TV aren’t app stores.

The Apple TV App Store is listed.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by csomar »

smoldesu wrote: post #14

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

It'll be interesting if the plot is twisted and instead the EU requires Google to limit Android to only Google Playstore.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by smoldesu »

csomar wrote: post #17
smoldesu wrote: post #14

> because the goals of the DSA align with Apple’s goals to protect consumers from illegal content. An interesting gambit. It sounds like they want to concede to the regulators while using "illegal content" as the new boogeyman stopping people from freely using their device. The freedom-loving part of me wants the EU to push the DSA/DMA further, damning all the "content" boogeymen that exist. The realistic part of me…

It'll be interesting if the plot is twisted and instead the EU requires Google to limit Android to only Google Playstore.

It would be a hell of a pivot, but kinda unlikely given how the AOSP exists.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

jsnell wrote: post #10

> iOS App Store: 101 million > iPadOS App Store: 23 million Asserting that the iPad App Store is distinct from the iOS App Store - and totally isn't in scope for the regulations - is certainly a bold strategy. I wonder why iTunes and Apple TV+ aren't included, and why Podcasts is only counting paid subscribers. Is there some obvious reason why these kinds of services would be out of scope?

Note that this is the Digital Services Act compliance, and not the Digital Markets Act which affects sideloading.

Re: European DSA Recipients of Services Report

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Post by eddieroger »

CostcoFanboy wrote: post #2

I'm surprised there are more Apple TV users than Apple watch users. It always felt like a fairly niched device. On a somewhat unrelated side-note, as a hardcore Plex user for the last 5-6 years, Apple TV has been an amazing Plex client. Second only to a Nvidia Shield Pro downgraded to 8.2.3 firmware. Honestly with the quality of their TV boxes, screens and the "ecosystem", I'm kind of surprised they didn't dive into…

Apps aside, my house has two adults with Apple Watches and four TVs with AppleTVs. I don't think it's surprising that the aTV outnumbers the Watch.
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