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German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by jansan »

saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

Good alternatives to Edelstoff IMHO are Tegernseer Helles (even harder to get) and Büble Edelbräu. Recently I found that Weihenstephaner Helles tastes quite good, too.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by soco »

schroeding wrote: post #36
soco wrote: post #26

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This is commercial advertising, a product description. That has of course its place but it's something different from the daily usage, which is what I meant. You wouldn't order at the Theke ein Untergäriges, or would you???

> At least here in Bavaria, it would just be "ein Helles" (or "ein Dunkles"). :D No, I wouldn't. And you wouldn't just order "a Lager", right? I kinda think we don't actually disagree. :) The only difference may be that, if asked what kind of beer a "Helles" is, expecting some kind of category other than "Helles", I would answer "untergäriges Bier" and you may answer "Lager". Both are correct, one description focuses…

Ahhh I think I finally got your point - that basically everything is confusing (as even my favorite porters can be untergärig). And I also learned that the Austrian Märzen is not exactly what I'd expect, so all in all an interesting beer thread :)

PS I wouldn't order a lager either. If I didn't care what they have (very rarely) I'd order "a beer" and live with it, or otherwise I'd ask for the choices.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by nemo44x »

saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

> Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted.

Yes. The first time I had Augustiner in Munich it was a revelation. Their beer garden in Munich is a magical place and the beer is amazing, served out of huge wooden casks. Edelstoff, Helles, etc. are available. For years I could never find it in the USA but now a couple places near me carry it and it's definitely a daily drinker. Simply the perfect lager.

Beer in Prague is up there too. Pilsner Urquell serviced out of casks is really great.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by zwieback »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #23
saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

Co2 does not create a “sour” taste.

I make carbonated water at home and I get a LOT of CO2 into my bottles. It definitely tasted sour so I add a tiny bit of baking soda as and acid regulator.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by zwieback »

Good to know. I also associate lager with Pilsener and northern Germany so I realize now that I was totally off. Also the connection between Reinheitsgebot and ale/lager yeasts was new. I didn't know that the type of yeast was specified in the law.

Finally we have some really excellent lager beers in Oregon, it's been a long time coming.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by skrebbel »

Pyramus wrote: post #38
carlob wrote: post #30

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Weissbier and all other white beers are ales, not lagers.

Lager/bottom-fermenting: Helles, Dunkles, Kellerbier/Zwickel, Pils Ale/top-fermenting: Weissbier/Weizenbier, dunkles Weissbier/Weizenbier, Alt, Kölsch

I’m surprised that Kölsch is top-fermenting as I (a Dutch beer noob) would describe Kölsch as “like a regular lager, but then really nice and in a long drink glass”.

Love it, I’m all confused

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by phillc73 »

skrebbel wrote: post #48
Pyramus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lager/bottom-fermenting: Helles, Dunkles, Kellerbier/Zwickel, Pils Ale/top-fermenting: Weissbier/Weizenbier, dunkles Weissbier/Weizenbier, Alt, Kölsch

I’m surprised that Kölsch is top-fermenting as I (a Dutch beer noob) would describe Kölsch as “like a regular lager, but then really nice and in a long drink glass”. Love it, I’m all confused

And that’s kind of the point of Kölsch.

A lot of home brewers who don’t want to mess about with temperature controlling bottom fermentation go for a top fermenting Kölsch yeast to achieve the same effect.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by bowsamic »

hef19898 wrote: post #18
soco wrote: post #6

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Tell me you don't drink beer without telling me you don't drink beer.

Nobody here calls it "Lager", u less it actually is one. We have Helles, Dunkles, Weissbier, dunkles Weisbier, Kellerbier, Pils, Lagerbier... If you order a Lager in Bavaria I honestly have no idea what you would get. Most likely still a beer, I have to try it next time, weather is nice enough for a first trip to a beer garden anyway!

This is an English speaking website. In English, lager only means beer
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