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German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by kgwgk »

_petronius wrote: post #7
jimmytidey wrote: post #5

What is the prison meaning?

The semantic space that "lager" covers in German is around storage/collection: so it covers concepts that in English are distinguished by worlds like "camp" (storage of people; and is therefore applied to prison camps) and "warehouse". Lager beer is matured in cold storage (like a cellar), hence "Lagerbier" just means "beer kept in storage", roughly. Because of differing semantic coverage, a lot of words between Germ…

>The semantic space that "lager" covers in German is around storage/collection

It's wider than that and covers also the sleeping place of people and animals. Lager is related to lair in English.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by twic »

_petronius wrote: post #7
jimmytidey wrote: post #5

What is the prison meaning?

The semantic space that "lager" covers in German is around storage/collection: so it covers concepts that in English are distinguished by worlds like "camp" (storage of people; and is therefore applied to prison camps) and "warehouse". Lager beer is matured in cold storage (like a cellar), hence "Lagerbier" just means "beer kept in storage", roughly. Because of differing semantic coverage, a lot of words between Germ…

But note that "lager beer" is not at all similar to "prison wine".

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

Co2 does not create a “sour” taste.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by EntrePrescott »

MoSattler wrote: post #16
jimmytidey wrote: post #5

What is the prison meaning?

Lager also means camp, as in KonzentrationsLAGER (concentration camp)

One could put together a phrase where that one would clearly come out when speaking it out, though not (or not as clearly) in written form, e.g.: "Frag mal den Wirt, welche Alkohol-Konzentration s'Lager-Bier hat"

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by watwut »

MoSattler wrote: post #17
watwut wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, I associated it with a prison too.

"Camp" is a more accurate translation, which gives the title a bit of a different connotation...

In Russian, Czech or Slovak, I have never ever seen or heard it being used in the context of an innocent camp. It just means bad kind of prison and sometimes military barracks - when you want to imply you don't like those military barracks.

I do not know how in German.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by soco »

schroeding wrote: post #15
soco wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody I know orders their beer "ein Untergärig bitte" (Switzerland here). Although not THE name, still everybody knows what a Lager is (as in, whether they want a helles or dunkles). Yes of course there's the camp meaning as well, but you wouldn't mix that up in a Kneipe. Only when you read just a random internet article and you have zero context to know which is which - even though this phrasing would be really wei…

Yeah, Lager inside a Kneipe / Wirtshaus is obviously meant in the "category of beer" way. At least here in Bavaria, it would just be "ein Helles" (or "ein Dunkles"). :D Regional differences between Bavaria and Switzerland may show here. As an example of "Untergärig" used instead of Lager: https://www.giesinger-shop.de/zum-trinken/9-giesinger-erhell...

This is commercial advertising, a product description. That has of course its place but it's something different from the daily usage, which is what I meant. You wouldn't order at the Theke ein Untergäriges, or would you???

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by GoldenRacer »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #23
saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

Co2 does not create a “sour” taste.

Dissolved CO2 forms carbonic acid which like most acids has a sour taste. It's not as strong as something like citric or lactic acid but it's certainly present. I personally don't really think of it while drinking carbonated beer but I definitely notice it while drinking sparkling water without other flavors to distract me.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by mixermachine »

saiya-jin wrote: post #9

As much as I like Czech beer (especially from 'tanks' - 400-1000 liter barrels that use gravity to get beer out and not CO2 like smaller kegs, which translates into much smoother and less sour taste), bavarian, namely Munich's Augustiner Edelstoff is by far the best lager from bottle I ever tasted. It easily beats any 'craft' beers I've experienced around the globe, and 0.5 lter bottle costs 1.2 euro in Munich's supe…

Augustiner Edelstoff is really good. You often also get it for even cheaper than 1,20€ per bottle (expensive for a german but quite cheap compared to most countries internationally). Augustiner Hell is also very good.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by MoSattler »

watwut wrote: post #25
MoSattler wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Camp" is a more accurate translation, which gives the title a bit of a different connotation...

In Russian, Czech or Slovak, I have never ever seen or heard it being used in the context of an innocent camp. It just means bad kind of prison and sometimes military barracks - when you want to imply you don't like those military barracks. I do not know how in German.

you can see it in the German word for concentration camp: KonzentrationsLAGER.

Re: German researchers figure out how lager first developed in Bavaria

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Post by carlob »

hef19898 wrote: post #18
soco wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me you don't drink beer without telling me you don't drink beer.

Nobody here calls it "Lager", u less it actually is one. We have Helles, Dunkles, Weissbier, dunkles Weisbier, Kellerbier, Pils, Lagerbier... If you order a Lager in Bavaria I honestly have no idea what you would get. Most likely still a beer, I have to try it next time, weather is nice enough for a first trip to a beer garden anyway!

Weissbier and all other white beers are ales, not lagers.
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