I am seeing a lot of 0 karma and less than a day old accounts posting here. I think we may be getting botted.
Europe Needs Digital Public Spaces That Are Independently Moderated and Hosted
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Re: Europe Needs Digital Public Spaces That Are Independently Moderated and Hosted
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can in US as well, even the 1st amendment only protects you so far. We just disagree with where that line lies.
That’s not true. You can say f* Trump or f* Biden all you want online or outside. That’s not the case in France for example. [Edit] Ref: https://news.yahoo.com/french-woman-faces-trial-insulting-16...
That's news to me. Got a citation or example?
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can in US as well, even the 1st amendment only protects you so far. We just disagree with where that line lies.
That’s not true. You can say f* Trump or f* Biden all you want online or outside. That’s not the case in France for example. [Edit] Ref: https://news.yahoo.com/french-woman-faces-trial-insulting-16...
not true since long time ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/25/insulting-fren...
also: most EU countries have laws that protect public speech and especially people's representatives from being prosecuted for expressing their opinions.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am inexplicably reminded of the following great quote: > As an European it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
What game? Also, NA meaning North America? Why would Mexico and Canada be lumped into it, they don't have the same constitutional protections that USA gets.
League of Legends originally.
It's a popular copypasta that gets used in esports discussions whenever an EU team beats an NA team harshly.
"NA" as term in esports just refers to teams primarily based in the US or Canada.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because you can go to prison for saying things.
Which things?
In Poland you cannot insult the president: https://www.politico.eu/article/poles-legal-jeopardy-insulti....
You can also go in jail for "insult to religious feelings".
In the UK people get fined for offensive tweets, including saying things like "men are not women".
In France people are facing trials for insulting Macron: https://news.yahoo.com/french-woman-faces-trial-insulting-16...
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because if you have a website you are legally liable for what someone else posts if you don't remove it within 24 hours of a report, which makes running a social network impractical. (NetzDG, KoPl-G, Digital Services Act (DSA), etc) Having actual free speech would solve that (and a lot of other problems).
Is that solved for American websites?
Yes. See 47 USC Section 230.
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#47Yes it is weird that europe has public television, public education etc, but we don't have a public Mastodon. Even if it s not very popular, it is a necessity. An additional benefit of publicly-ran communications is that they can't be censored unless it s something unlawful.
Yes, I’d very much like to pay a new tax in addition to the television tax (even though I never used it).
And yes, let some guys decide what’s “misinformation” and what isn’t. My guess is that anything that’s not aligned with a state’s foreign policy is “misinformation”.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can in US as well, even the 1st amendment only protects you so far. We just disagree with where that line lies.
That’s not true. You can say f* Trump or f* Biden all you want online or outside. That’s not the case in France for example. [Edit] Ref: https://news.yahoo.com/french-woman-faces-trial-insulting-16...
How is that not true? Yes you can say fuck trump or fuck biden(why are you self censoring yourself on the internet btw), but you can't say "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" to a police officer - you will be arrested and put in prison even if you were "just saying things". Your freedom of speech isn't absolute. For other examples - several states made it illegal for journalists to report on violations on farms, to protect their own industries.
>>That’s not the case in France for example.
I'm pretty sure you can say fuck trump or fuck biden in France and nothing would happen to you, in public or otherwise.
you picked a poor example though, insulting the French head of state hasn't been a crime for a decade now:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/25/insulting-fren...
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's absolutely not true, definitely not in the criminal sense. Politicians are always allowed to bring a civil suit against you over the things you've said, but the same is true in US.
It is criminal. > She stands accused of "insulting the president of the republic" and will stand trial on June 20 in Saint Omer, the prosecutor said.
Where
Re: Europe Needs Digital Public Spaces That Are Independently Moderated and Hosted
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am inexplicably reminded of the following great quote: > As an European it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
What's the game that quote refers to?
It's a copypasta, from wikipedia:
> A copypasta is a block of text that is copied and pasted across the Internet by individuals through online forums and social networking websites. Copypastas are said to be similar to spam as they are often used to annoy other users and disrupt online discourse.