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Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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There's no incentive for an engineer to do that. Saying yes and delivering crap gets you a bonus, hard truths get you shuffled around or made redundant. There's no real consequence for delivering crap, so that's what happens. Contrast this with other engineering fields, where the engineer is truly responsible for the decisions they make. My civil engineer friends face losing their licenses, fines or jail time if they…

The incentive is having a rewarding job where you develop products you are proud of. Once I have food to eat, this is by far the most important incentive for me and it greatly outweighs e.g my desire for promotions, raises and bonuses. If I can have both, great. If I need to choose one, it’s the fulfilling job and product pride every day.

kinda weird that expressing pride in one's job and prioritizing excellence over financial remuneration would be downvoted so vigorously

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If you're in a rainstorm and the wipers are set to "minimum speed" then turning the speed up would be critical.

The safe thing to do would be to pull over first, as you see the rain getting heavier, then adjust.

So, what to do on a motorway?

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> NHTSA published voluntary guidance in 2013 recommending that a driver be able to complete any infotainment task with glances of under two seconds, totaling a maximum of 12 seconds. But NHTSA’s guidance had no enforcement mechanism, and carmakers have violated it with impunity.

In the last two years further evidence has suggested that touchscreens represent a step backward for auto design. Drexel researchers found that infotainment systems posed a statistically significant crash risk even in the early 2010s, before carmakers added many of today’s bells and whistles.

Has anyone attempted certifying a class?

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I like a big display with buttons on the side. I like getting to see the song name, the station and some of that digital info, I like Apple Maps on Apple car play. Those are nice features. I love the back up camera display. But I have to have a button or knob to adjust temp, audio, next track, etc... because while those things are helpful, when I'm going down the highway and I need to adjust while paying attention ju…

One of the best things about carplay is you can use your phone to input your destination instead of the crappy touchscreen in your car.

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> - the controls on my stove top How were these stove-top touch-buttons ever considered an upgrade to their predecessor? They always have no feedback, or that annoyingly high "beep" feedback. They are always slow to respond. They typically use only two or three buttons to control the actual temperature, forcing you to select location first, which is typically slow and terrible as well. Nobody in their right mind can…

I love my induction stove with touch buttons. Easiest stove I have ever had to clean. Just like wiping any other part of the bench.

Same here. I can instantly set the level on each zone. Set separate timers. They work flawlessly. Ikea induction top

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You can put the wipers icon at the bottom bar now, that makes it much better.

I'm not sure how they got the idea that it's ever acceptable to need to press a button to open a menu in order to turn wipers on. Particularly when the rain sensor is so bad that auto is basically useless.

The problem is that there is no rain sensor :)

Re: Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens

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My family's 2020 Subaru has a touch screen. It is only for noncritical stuff -- the climate control has conventional buttons and knobs. With that said, the placement of the screen makes the rest of the controls sit much lower, so I have to look for them.

I've found a "look twice" method minimizes the time that my eyes are off the road. I take one quick glance, to find the button that I want to push. Then a second quick look to actually push it.

Based on complaints I've read about Subaru controls, they must have fixed a lot of problems in the latest version. It really does work nicely, though it does scold me once in a while. I love the adaptive cruise control, and I don't mind something that keeps me from falling asleep while driving.

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1. You do know that other car manufacturers have more advanced and more reliable driver's assistance than Tesla's fake FSD, right? MobilEye or not. 2. We could be 50 years away from universal real FSD.

Define "more advanced"? Besides perhaps MobilEye's SuperVision there is no ADAS as advanced in terms of what it can do, if you believe otherwise you need a reality check. Reliability? Sure, Mercedes has their famed L3 in stop and go traffic, in good weather, if the road doesn't curve too much. FSD, if you use it, takes over your driving 99% of the time, which is why I'm saying tactile buttons or not is just not that…

There are at least a few reviews that put Tesla's stuff behind GM's SuperCruise and a few other driver assist systems.
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