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Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by karp773 »

mehanig wrote: post #14
karp773 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Blocking" in Russia was nothing else than an internal drill by KGB to check robustness to possible blocking in the target fields of operations, e.g. Brazil. If Russia TRULY wanted to block Telegram, then Mr. Durov, who accidentally operates from and resides in Russia, would have been kidnapped and tortured until Telegram goes down or he hands the keys over to KGB. Since Durov is still alive and free... the conclusio…

Durov don't operate from Russia and wasn't operating during those "blockings", so this theory does not hold up.

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Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by pseudo0 »

rektide wrote: post #13
comechao wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point, that’s why this conversation has more nuance. In this case, a single judge from one of the Brazilian states has decided to take down an app for the entire country.

Man the judicial systems of the world keep seeming like the new unchecked off their rockers loonies. Definitely feeling like the weekest link in democracy.

Advocacy groups have gotten very good at forum-shopping the most extreme district court judges and convincing them to issue nation-wide injunctions. That practice probably does need to be curtailed. We saw it with the recent abortion pill issue but it was also happening with Trump's immigration restrictions, for example. No matter which side of the aisle it is coming from, some random judge in Hawaii or Texas should not be able to block nation-wide legislation without an exceptionally good reason.

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by 0xy »

whatsu wrote: post #2

No company should think it's above the national laws

"Every company should implement mass censorship and encourage countries to overstep"

This is a really weak defeatist position.

Brazil's administration is attempting to silence opposition voices, this has nothing to do with Nazis. Much like the EU uses "hate speech" laws to silence mass immigration skeptics, this is a political measure to silence people.

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by duxup »

karp773 wrote: post #21
mehanig wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov don't operate from Russia and wasn't operating during those "blockings", so this theory does not hold up.

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> He knows that he can't hide from KGB anyways (see Litvinenko, Skripal, Lesin among others).

If those are the examples then every app is potentially under such influence…

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by tapoxi »

I'm fairly certain it is deeply connected to Russia. People believe it's encrypted but it's not for group chats or default for direct chats. They have money when Telegram is expensive to run, not to mention they can easily threaten Durov's life.

The Russian network block and letting people use Telegram again was the government squeezing their biggest source of users and income until they acquiesced.

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by antisocialist »

Supposedly it's about the children. Sao Paulo solved the problem:

> Many Brazilian states didn’t wait for the federal response. Sao Paulo, for example, temporarily hired 550 psychologists to attend to its public schools, and hired 1,000 private security guards.

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-school-violence-guns-attac...

This is what disgruntled poor people did in China, too, used a $5 hatchet. You don't even need to be able to afford a gun .

I don't see a (neo)Nazi angle in that crime, though. There's no clear motive for the attack yet and no connection to Telegram either (based on coverage in DW and The Guardian), so I'm guessing Lula is simply trying to crack down on free speech.

Users who want private comms with encryption and metadata cleansing can use decentralized blockchain based services such as xx Network's xxMessenger. xxMessenger can be blocked by the ISPs by blocking outgoing connections to xx gateways, but desktop-only Speakeasy Tech can use Tor Network (Tor Browser's Socks5 proxy or Arti) so it's likely to work better when telcos and ISPs are ordered to block connections or DNS lookups. There are other, similar networks, I just don't know enough about them to make specific recommendations.

Disclosure: I own xx coins.

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by karp773 »

duxup wrote: post #24
karp773 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> He knows that he can't hide from KGB anyways (see Litvinenko, Skripal, Lesin among others). If those are the examples then every app is potentially under such influence…

No comment.

Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram

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Post by jojobas »

tapoxi wrote: post #26

I'm fairly certain it is deeply connected to Russia. People believe it's encrypted but it's not for group chats or default for direct chats. They have money when Telegram is expensive to run, not to mention they can easily threaten Durov's life. The Russian network block and letting people use Telegram again was the government squeezing their biggest source of users and income until they acquiesced.

They just couldn't win and gave up. They accidentally crippled Github, large portions of google cloud and even their own government services while trying to blacklist Telegram and figured it was not worth the risk and getting laughed at.

The Skripal affair and other fuckups highlighted that Russia can't get away with threatening even a retiree's life, let alone millionaire's with some security.

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