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1Password to Add Telemetry

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Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by piperswe »

1Password's recent developments are sad, especially so since I don't know another fully-featured secrets manager I can wholeheartedly recommend to less tech-savvy folks. Bitwarden's UI is nowhere near as polished and end-user-friendly as 1Password's IME, and the password managers built in to phone operating systems manage passwords - nothing else. Also, 1Password's sharing functionality is invaluable - if I want to share a credit card number or something with family, I can just put it in a shared vault.

Is there another user-friendly, powerful password manager out there that I can recommend instead?

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by 93po »

bwoodruff wrote: post #298
93po wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless telemetry is opt-in, there is no commitment to transparency. Opt-out may as well just be buried as a disclosure in the EULA that no one reads.

As our CTO, Pedro, discussed in his blog post ( https://blog.1password.com/privacy-preserving-app-telemetry/ ), we have only rolled out telemetry to our employee base. We will be analyzing the results of this internal-only roll-out before implementing this functionality more broadly. This functionality will have a prominent in-app message that will ask Individual and Family account users to choose whether they prefer…

> This functionality will have a prominent in-app message that will ask Individual and Family account users to choose whether they prefer to keep telemetry on or off their account. Nothing gets collected until they’ve made this choice, and users will be able to change their preferences whenever they would like.

Does the choice for "Track My Activity" look like a "Continue" or "Next" button? Respectfully, it sounds like you're trying really hard to not actually say it's going to be opt-out.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by flangola7 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #191
flangola7 wrote: post #178

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That's beside the point. If you don't have consent you don't have consent.

Not really if you're trying to influence some sort of change. Consent is implied in the usage of the product. If someone doesn't like it, they're free not to use it.

"Implied consent" isn't consent at all, and bluntly the idea that it is is creepy and gross as fuck. That's why, for example, GDPR forbids services from limiting or withholding service based on cookie acceptance.

Willful, informed, enthusiastic consent is what we're after.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by rconti »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #149
torstenvl wrote: post #141

Users: We want standalone non-subscription licenses! 1Password: I really wish we knew what users wanted. Users: Please don't move to Electron, I don't want Chrome bugs in my password manager. 1Password: I'm just baffled. We never hear from users. Users: Please, for the love of God, give us control over our vaults. Don't go cloud-only, we're begging you! 1Password: Better turn on telemetry. It's the only way to solve…

They're focusing of the enterprise market. Those users are now what matters, because that's where the money is. Individual and family customers will still get their tier of product, but ain't no company-wide business decisions gonna be catered to their whims. And particularly with standalone perpetual licences, which I'm still clinging on to. Sync via DropBox, share a vault with family, and another one with my small…

It stopped working for me when I couldn't install the Chrome extension for 1Password 7 on my work machine.

I've finally given in, after years of being a licenseholder of 1Password 6 and 7 (and maybe 5?) ... and I'm mixed. Definitely plenty of migration pains, you have to set aside time in your life to make this change. Most of us just want our stuff to keep working the way it worked yesterday, and not have yet another chore in our lives.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by rrdharan »

drcongo wrote: post #227
SanjayMehta wrote: post #189

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To give 1Password some credit, they haven't broken the standalone licenses yet. Every time the iOS app updates, I suffer from an anxiety attack that sync via dropbox might break. Unsure about a reasonable alternative.

If you don't need shared vaults, Secrets [0] is excellent and feels a lot like the last good version of 1Password before they started down their current path of destroying both their product and their reputation. [0] https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/

This looks great, thanks!

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by tsuujin »

bombcar wrote: post #268
ROFISH wrote: post #175

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Even more hilarious: I have recorded customer service events specifically stating against all three of those. I liked 1Password when it was an amazing Mac-only app. Now it's just another Electron app I can throw away and discard for different Electron app, there's nothing special about it. The problem is that I don't see any particular alternative. I don't like Bitwarden's security (password is provided to the server…

1password is pushing me more and more toward something else, it has only to piss me off a bit more and I might just drop down to Apple Keychain for most things ...

I went apple passwords only a while back and don’t really regret it. It works really well most of the time, with a couple of annoying “open up the settings app to get my password” moments.

If they ever take it seriously and release a dedicated app with iCloud family sharing I don’t think I would have a reason to look elsewhere.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by Aaron2222 »

bwoodruff wrote: post #298
93po wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless telemetry is opt-in, there is no commitment to transparency. Opt-out may as well just be buried as a disclosure in the EULA that no one reads.

As our CTO, Pedro, discussed in his blog post ( https://blog.1password.com/privacy-preserving-app-telemetry/ ), we have only rolled out telemetry to our employee base. We will be analyzing the results of this internal-only roll-out before implementing this functionality more broadly. This functionality will have a prominent in-app message that will ask Individual and Family account users to choose whether they prefer…

So it's effectively opt-in then? It strikes me as odd that this wasn't clearly communicated in the blog post, and even more odd that phrasing like "At that point, we’ll also provide guidance on how you can opt out if you’d like to" was used.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by 1123581321 »

illiarian wrote: post #273
KomoD wrote: post #260

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What's the issue with search, instead of just saying it's "unusable"?

Instead of filtering the list as it used to, it now shows a dropdown list with truncated one-line entries. That's the default `Edit -> Search` For no reason other than they don't understand what UX is anymore they now have `Edit -> Find` that behaves almost like the previous version's search did.

You're talking about the autocomplete. If you want to finish a search and keep the list filtered, hit cmd+enter. Or use the global search (cmd+shft+space) to operate on live autocomplete results with keyboard shortcuts like a launcher app.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by 1123581321 »

desmondrd wrote: post #281

I've used 1Password since 2014 -- almost 10 years! And my company uses it, so I'm both personal and business user. Product quality, especially with 1Password8 has deteriorated significantly. A big bag refactor to electron with no telemetry is probably the root cause. Not necessarily poor strategy, but certainly poor execution. Telemetry is actually a good thing for 1Password users who see product quality decreasing b…

There are already a bunch of competitors out there, and some of them seem to have been built quickly. Might be worth checking out if you've become this unhappy with 1Password.

Re: 1Password to Add Telemetry

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Post by stefandesu »

gaws wrote: post #143
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #137

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i have literally over 5,000 passwords going back almost 30 years in a dozen vaults in 1P. How easy was it to migrate to Bitwarden? Any issues with Windows, Android, Linux, i(Pad)OS with the move? thanks!

I can't speak for multiple vaults, but it was extremely easy for me to import my single vault: 1. Export 1P passwords to a 1pux file 2. Import file into Bitwarden 3. Done.

How did you deal with unsupported data types? As far as I remember, Bitwarden is extremely limited when it comes to that.
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