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Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by golergka »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #18
beders wrote: post #10

It was heartbreaking to see the control room during the first few minutes after the landing. Imagine a project you've worked on for years going kaput and you won't even know why. None of these engineers will find sleep tonight. I hope some moon orbiter can take pics of the landing site soon.

This was a commercial landing though. I guess its not there to do science or improve the human race. What was behind it?

Most of the things that have improved the human race have been done commercially, and those motivated by profit have done a hundredfold more for humanity than those who were motivated by idealism.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by detrites »

Waterluvian wrote: post #48
detrites wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times ...

...means landing must be one of the tricky parts. Just like how landing a plane is one of the tricky parts.

How many landings succeeded?

Then do percent successes vs failures, broken down as government and commercial.

Then ask why's only commercial landing the tricky part?

It's not like these people are stupid, nor like they haven't had multiple decades to learn from plus the state of the art.

Three in a row is as weird to me as if there were seven in a row. All only commercial, while govt landed fine.

Would you think that odd too?

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Post by dmreedy »

detrites wrote: post #62
Waterluvian wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...means landing must be one of the tricky parts. Just like how landing a plane is one of the tricky parts.

How many landings succeeded? Then do percent successes vs failures, broken down as government and commercial. Then ask why's only commercial landing the tricky part? It's not like these people are stupid, nor like they haven't had multiple decades to learn from plus the state of the art. Three in a row is as weird to me as if there were seven in a row. All only commercial, while govt landed fine. Would you think that…

https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/beyond_earth_detail.html

this is a neat book on the history of unmanned spaceflight.

Take a look and see how long it took to get a probe into orbit. Into someone else's orbit. All that before they even tried landing anywhere

For moon landings, sourced from wikipedia[0] but you can certainly find the information in the aformentioned book:

> Luna 15, Luna 18, and Luna 23 all crashed [into the moon] on landing; and the U.S. Surveyor 4 lost all radio contact only moments before its landing.

Finally, here's a list of rocket launch failures in 2022

https://www.space.com/12-biggest-rocket-failures-2022

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[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

detrites wrote: post #62
Waterluvian wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...means landing must be one of the tricky parts. Just like how landing a plane is one of the tricky parts.

How many landings succeeded? Then do percent successes vs failures, broken down as government and commercial. Then ask why's only commercial landing the tricky part? It's not like these people are stupid, nor like they haven't had multiple decades to learn from plus the state of the art. Three in a row is as weird to me as if there were seven in a row. All only commercial, while govt landed fine. Would you think that…

Only a certain number of launches will be successful. Only a certain number of landings will be successful. Sometimes you just hit a Poisson distribution.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by relativ575 »

snacktaster wrote: post #16
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #12

Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

Yeah I'm curious too. It seems like if there was actually some commercial benefit to this then USA would be dropping rovers on the moon every week. But it's mostly lost interest now.

Can not be further from the truth:

https://www.nasa.gov/commercial-lunar-payload-services

This mission itself is in preparation for future missions contracted by NASA

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Post by shmoe »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #18
beders wrote: post #10

It was heartbreaking to see the control room during the first few minutes after the landing. Imagine a project you've worked on for years going kaput and you won't even know why. None of these engineers will find sleep tonight. I hope some moon orbiter can take pics of the landing site soon.

This was a commercial landing though. I guess its not there to do science or improve the human race. What was behind it?

Most of the US fleet is now commercial as well, and they're doing plenty of science on NASA's behalf. This is the future. Or we'd be stuck with one SLS launch every decade instead.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

yamtaddle wrote: post #57
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I do not understand people who would jump at the chance to live on a permanent Martian or Lunar colony.

I think a lot of people don't appreciate just how completely shit space is.

Wait until you hear about earth after the core gets cold.

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Post by bee_rider »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #67
yamtaddle wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of people don't appreciate just how completely shit space is.

Wait until you hear about earth after the core gets cold.

I’ll try to wait but I bet the Earth’s core is a bit more patient than me.

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Post by Waterluvian »

dmreedy wrote: post #63
detrites wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many landings succeeded? Then do percent successes vs failures, broken down as government and commercial. Then ask why's only commercial landing the tricky part? It's not like these people are stupid, nor like they haven't had multiple decades to learn from plus the state of the art. Three in a row is as weird to me as if there were seven in a row. All only commercial, while govt landed fine. Would you think that…

https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/beyond_earth_detail.html this is a neat book on the history of unmanned spaceflight. Take a look and see how long it took to get a probe into orbit. Into someone else's orbit. All that before they even tried landing anywhere For moon landings, sourced from wikipedia[0] but you can certainly find the information in the aformentioned book: > Luna 15, Luna 18, and Luna 23 all crashed…

And if we’re approaching this from a “it’s a conspiracy!” point of view, we then must also consider all the crashes they aren’t telling us about. ;)

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by InitialLastName »

addisonl wrote: post #47
Silverback_VII wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Are you implying there is some conspiracy here?

To sibling: Your comment was more "dog-whistling a conspiracy theory Rorschach test" than skillful commentary. I'm not surprised it got flagged, as it lacked any meaningful content or insight.

In general, you might want to leave it to others to evaluate the quality of your "commentary".

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