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Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by ceejayoz »

beders wrote: post #10

It was heartbreaking to see the control room during the first few minutes after the landing. Imagine a project you've worked on for years going kaput and you won't even know why. None of these engineers will find sleep tonight. I hope some moon orbiter can take pics of the landing site soon.

> you won't even know why

Not necessarily. We've frequently been able to determine the cause of unmanned spacecraft failures via telemetry and/or post-failure investigation. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter famously failed because NASA used metric and a vendor did not.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by belter »

walrus01 wrote: post #26
uni_rule wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acquire neat rocks to flex on lesser nations with

Bonus points if you attach some to plaques and give them away to various nations which then lose some of them.

"Stolen and missing Moon rocks" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_and_missing_Moon_rocks

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by pseudostem »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #12

Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

Not my opinion - I saw a compelling video of some prof on reddit a few years ago. His argument went something like this: name the richest businessman from the time of Columbus/ Amerigo. Or a very powerful politician/ socialite? Progress is a derivative of us pursuing the unknown. That is why we do what we do.

Disclaimer: I've lost a lot of the language behind the original argument, but as a sceptic it did make a lot of sense to me at that time. And hopefully the meaning behind the original message has not been lost due to my bad phrasing.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #7
noisy_boy wrote: post #6

Beautiful images of Earth from the lander: https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1650506233575604227/ph... and https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1649707714447306753/ph...

Obligatory Sagan quote: > Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, ev…

This is why I do not understand people who would jump at the chance to live on a permanent Martian or Lunar colony.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by gregoriol »

m3kw9 wrote: post #32

There were 2 other commercial landing that blacked out just before landing must be something they all didn’t take care of or maybe nasa is holding out some secret info

Maybe it's very hard to get everything working together? A lot of spacecrafts have failed on various missions, not just moon, since the beginning of space exploration.

This is not 1960s unlimited race budgets, this makes things harder.

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Post by bombcar »

pseudostem wrote: post #35
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #12

Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

Not my opinion - I saw a compelling video of some prof on reddit a few years ago. His argument went something like this: name the richest businessman from the time of Columbus/ Amerigo. Or a very powerful politician/ socialite? Progress is a derivative of us pursuing the unknown. That is why we do what we do. Disclaimer: I've lost a lot of the language behind the original argument, but as a sceptic it did make a lot…

Then again many still remember “Queen Isabella of Spain”. It’s hard to predict what will be famous and remembered centuries from now - Musk could be entirely successful at all he wants and does and be remembered no more than by those obsessed with early earth history.

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Post by pc86 »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #36
mostlysimilar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obligatory Sagan quote: > Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, ev…

This is why I do not understand people who would jump at the chance to live on a permanent Martian or Lunar colony.

Because everyone assumes they'd be an explorer or visionary scientist when they'd most likely just be taking out the trash in a frozen desert.
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