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Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

It was carrying two rovers, one from JAXA, the Japanese space agency, and the second from the UAE. This is the equiv of SpaceX launching a NASA satellite.

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Beautiful images of Earth from the lander: https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1650506233575604227/ph... and https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1649707714447306753/ph...

If you look carefully at Earth, as the image was taken during the eclipse, you see the shadow of the Moon on Earth.

or is it the beginning of the nothing growing in size coming for Atreyu?

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

Yeah I'm curious too. It seems like if there was actually some commercial benefit to this then USA would be dropping rovers on the moon every week. But it's mostly lost interest now.

If you're a private company looking to build a mining base station, tourist hotel, or any other thing a private company might want to do, then it's best to get the kinks worked out by practicing with an unmanned lander a few times first

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Beautiful images of Earth from the lander: https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1650506233575604227/ph... and https://twitter.com/ispace_inc/status/1649707714447306753/ph...

If you look carefully at Earth, as the image was taken during the eclipse, you see the shadow of the Moon on Earth.

Very cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_April_20,_202...

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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It was heartbreaking to see the control room during the first few minutes after the landing. Imagine a project you've worked on for years going kaput and you won't even know why. None of these engineers will find sleep tonight. I hope some moon orbiter can take pics of the landing site soon.

This was a commercial landing though. I guess its not there to do science or improve the human race. What was behind it?

A commercial endeavor being able to land on the moon is an accomplishment in itself. That’s how you go from proof of concept to economic viability

Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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Is there an actual commercial reason for landing on the moon? What was this lander going to do? It seems like a lot of missions from various companies and countries are trying to get to the moon and they're all crashing. Is it just a rite of passage for a space program? What is the point of this

Acquire neat rocks to flex on lesser nations with

Bonus points if you attach some to plaques and give them away to various nations which then lose some of them.

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This was a commercial landing though. I guess its not there to do science or improve the human race. What was behind it?

A commercial endeavor being able to land on the moon is an accomplishment in itself. That’s how you go from proof of concept to economic viability

> That’s how you go from proof of concept to economic viability

I don't think this is particularly coherent in this case. It's commercial, but there is no private sector customer.

All of the customers are government scientific agencies. It's all still very much science and/or nation-state prestige-driven. What's more, it's unclear what the commercial case for lunar landing would be in the near term, where "near term" means "any reasonable expectation of return on capital that doesn't come from taxpayers".

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post #10

It was heartbreaking to see the control room during the first few minutes after the landing. Imagine a project you've worked on for years going kaput and you won't even know why. None of these engineers will find sleep tonight. I hope some moon orbiter can take pics of the landing site soon.

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Re: Commercial lunar lander presumed lost after moon landing attempt

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A commercial endeavor being able to land on the moon is an accomplishment in itself. That’s how you go from proof of concept to economic viability

> That’s how you go from proof of concept to economic viability I don't think this is particularly coherent in this case. It's commercial, but there is no private sector customer. All of the customers are government scientific agencies. It's all still very much science and/or nation-state prestige-driven. What's more, it's unclear what the commercial case for lunar landing would be in the near term, where "near term"…

That’s a fair criticism, but one important distinction is that this develops infrastructure and expertise for purely economically/recreationally motivated projects down the line.

As for economic motivations in the near term, a lot I can think of are indeed still based on public funds, but one important thing about commercial landing being viable is that those publically funded endeavors don’t need to work the bureaucracy engine to get a government launch/can span governmental boundaries. If some US or UAE entity wants a telescope array on the moon, if they have the money for it, they could just pay for a commercial lunar lander. If the DOE wants to test he-3 mining they don’t need to go through congress to get NASA to deliver their payload.

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