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Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by gambiting »

rafaelero wrote: post #69
roflyear wrote: post #47

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Well, I wouldn't say "what bitcoin got wrong" but rather "what people who were overly hyping bitcoin got wrong" It hasn't totally played out yet, but it doesn't seem like it is on track to be a currency, and the underlying tech hasn't proven to have a ton of uses beyond crypto currencies. Not trying to straw man here, just trying to honestly reply to your comment.

> what people who were overly hyping bitcoin got wrong Did they? It's the best performing asset in the last decade. I think they got it right.

The people who were hyping it said it will be the next major currency. Right now it's literally no different to people getting excited about beanie babies - sure those beanie babies have appreciated in value by 1000s of percent, but at the end of the day they are still just stupid toys and nothing more.

So no, people didn't get it right. If anything they got it catastrophically wrong and the entire premise was hijacked by people who saw it as an excellent investment/scam opportunity.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by Silverback_VII »

tnel77 wrote: post #37
Lendal wrote: post #33

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It does feel a bit like Bitcoin hype, in that I know there's something wrong with it but I can't quite put my finger on it or explain it. But this is why it's also likely to last a long time, just like Bitcoin did, because it's so enticing and yet so difficult to articulate exactly what it is that's wrong. I'm at that level where I'm just smart enough to know something is wrong here, but not smart enough to say what…

I’m sure this is going to make you laugh and/or annoyed, but what about Bitcoin is exactly “wrong?” Curious if after all these years you’ve found the words.

GPT can tell you what's wrong with Bitcoin:

You throw 25 grand on a Bitcoin bet, The dough lands in a chest, smoky and wet. You've got your Bitcoin, feelin' alive, But the chest has plans, man, it's a damn beehive.

It pays the skeptics, those withdrawing in fright,

The electric bill's covered, in the dark of the night,

A Lambo, a threesome, a few folks living in sin, As the value hits 27 grand, you think it's your turn to win.

But then comes a big fish, an old-time player, He dumps his coins, like a dirty betrayer.

The price dives to 20 grand, you can't help but feel, Thousands like you are stuck in a rotten ordeal.

You scramble to withdraw, but the site's a damn mess,

The price keeps on fallin', and the chest reveals its emptiness.

The truth is, it was never full, not even close, Now you're left with your Bitcoin, feelin' morose.

A voice in the shadows tells you, "It's not about the bread, Bitcoin's a different way to pay, don't let it go to your head. Hold tight, and embrace your virtual piece, The future of money might just find its release."

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by vlovich123 »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #34
sph wrote: post #3

I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

I think the difference between those other hype cycles and this one is utility. I found Bitcoin very interesting (Erlang as well, still do) but not very practical in my day-to-day life. Unless I'm going to be hired by a firm that specializes in that tech, they're just not very useful. Nerdy and interesting and fun yes, but I just don't need them in my day-to-day life. On the other hand ChatGPT 3.5 has become immediat…

Figuring out utility doesn’t bother me. The hype that bothers me is applying it to random shit it should not be yet (eg using it to write anything more than starter code). I’m also bothered by the absolute fantastical BS lay people are being fed about the possibilities. Like the problem with ChatGPT is the scams. Having it generate “offensive” material is a joke - not only is it trivial to bypass any/all protections OpenAI tries to put in place, the protections themselves are laughable trying to stay away from any possible thing that could possibility generate any controversy for anyone anywhere.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by gspencley »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #98
gspencley wrote: post #48

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From a historical standpoint, you're spot on. Neo-Luddism is still opposition to a lot of modern technologies, but for a very disparate set of reasons. For example, many oppose the mass adoption of social media due to perceived mental health and social impacts. Others oppose smart phones and "screen addiction." These things can qualify as "neo-luddism" even though the opposition is not rooted in job displacement. I'v…

I thought that this was me ("The industry in which I have based my entire career just doesn't excite me anymore."), but then I realized I actually am mostly just interested in programming the way some people are interested in any other skill or machine. Some people learn guitar because they need to make music and play out. Others just love playing the guitar, even and especially when nobody is watching, for its own p…

This is completely valid and I wish that were me.

I'm a "maker." Although I try to bring a level of "craftsmanship" to my code, and I care a great deal about code quality, refactoring and solving problems at the code level - and I definitely enjoy the process - it is still a means to an end. It is the configuration of raw materials that contribute to the final form of something useful and tangible.

The most tragic part is realizing that it is very unlikely that I will ever care about what it is that I am producing in tech. I was self employed for 15 years and that was extremely rewarding because the business and the product was my vision, my creation etc. Now that I am back in the job market I find that what was a career for 20 years has become "just" a job. I am making something, and that matters, but I'm not making something I would personally use as an end-user. And that is not a slight against the things I am making. They are useful to someone. Just not to me. I have spent the last few years thinking about what it would look like to make something I myself use and that's when I realized that, relatively speaking, I hardly use any tech as an end-user in my personal life at all.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by yummypaint »

davidw wrote: post #55
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #34

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I think the difference between those other hype cycles and this one is utility. I found Bitcoin very interesting (Erlang as well, still do) but not very practical in my day-to-day life. Unless I'm going to be hired by a firm that specializes in that tech, they're just not very useful. Nerdy and interesting and fun yes, but I just don't need them in my day-to-day life. On the other hand ChatGPT 3.5 has become immediat…

Yeah, more or less in this boat too. ChatGPT does things . Useful things. "Crypto" has some clever ideas, but always seemed too full of utopians and grifters and people with a solution in search of a problem. I've used Erlang professionally and like the ecosystem very much. I am a bit annoyed with myself for still not having a better understanding of how these LLM's work, because that's important, at the end of the d…

It may be that the game has already changed and people are just starting to figure out the new rules. Im looking forward to continuing to slap my forehead in these "wish i had seen that low-hanging fruit" moments.

Suddenly being able to largely automate so many formerly human-only tasks using plain language instructions makes me feel like the nature of the computing experience itself may be evolving profoundly. It has been said that technological progress generally shifts people from being tool users to tool managers, and these language models certainly fit that trend.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by newswasboring »

peteradio wrote: post #52
newswasboring wrote: post #42

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Agreed. That makes the AI will kill us all crowd the real luddites for this topic.

No the real luddites would the one who are attempting to kill AI before it hatches.

I am guessing people who think AI is such an existential threat will try to kill it. It would be irrational not to

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by tnel77 »

Silverback_VII wrote: post #102
tnel77 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure this is going to make you laugh and/or annoyed, but what about Bitcoin is exactly “wrong?” Curious if after all these years you’ve found the words.

GPT can tell you what's wrong with Bitcoin: You throw 25 grand on a Bitcoin bet, The dough lands in a chest, smoky and wet. You've got your Bitcoin, feelin' alive, But the chest has plans, man, it's a damn beehive. It pays the skeptics, those withdrawing in fright, The electric bill's covered, in the dark of the night, A Lambo, a threesome, a few folks living in sin, As the value hits 27 grand, you think it's your tu…

We need a “!RemindMe 10 years” feature like they have on Reddit.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

gspencley wrote: post #48
dmreedy wrote: post #27

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For what it's worth, and at the risk of sounding like I'm nitpicking, traditional Luddism is not dismissal of technology as overhyped or smoke-and-mirrors. Quite the opposite; the technology is recognized as very real and very impactful. The question instead becomes, "what happens to us, the ones it replaces?". And at least in the original incarnation, given an insufficiently satisfying answer, you smash some looms u…

From a historical standpoint, you're spot on. Neo-Luddism is still opposition to a lot of modern technologies, but for a very disparate set of reasons. For example, many oppose the mass adoption of social media due to perceived mental health and social impacts. Others oppose smart phones and "screen addiction." These things can qualify as "neo-luddism" even though the opposition is not rooted in job displacement. I'v…

You sound like me. Middle aged and tired of the bullshit.

The difference is I'm mostly tired of the social garbage that keeps piling up on top of things. The competitiveness, the pressure to "be productive", the grifters, the capitalists who put money before people, the bureaucrats. It's never enough more more more faster faster faster meanwhile the roadblocks that are put in place get bigger uglier and stickier than ever.

I just stopped participating in that stuff. Got off Facebook. Got off Twitter. Curated my Reddit feeds to be built around useful and helpful communities, not reactionary meme-ified BS. Started reading more. Started using RSS again (but again a reduced and focused subset of useful sites).

I'm feeling much better and I still find I enjoy technology. Microelectronics, 3d printing, functional programming, distributed systems.

I'm working on a cloud connected garage door opener. I don't care that it's never going to be productized. I don't care that I can go an Alibaba and order one for $15. I'm just doing it because I want to work on my microelectronics skills and I find it fulfilling. I'm doing it my way, at my own pace, without the BS.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Post by danaris »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #74
csantini wrote: post #14

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I see 3 kind of people, all common on HN: - The luddites: it's just hype. - The doomers: AI will kill us all. - The AI indie hackers: dunno about AI, I'm trying to make money with it. Somehow the intersection is right: AI is not really smart, but it will replace a lot of human activity anyhow.

- The realists: what do LLM's actually do, and what are their limits - The luddites: who is going to benefit from LLM's and who will suffer more? - The doomers: AI will kill us all - The children: look at this! look at me! look at this! Wheeeeee! - The money: how many people can we pay less or not at all thanks to AI - The scientists: ok, that's cool, but what happens if we ...

And the "true believers": AI will lead to the singularity, which we must try to accelerate by any means necessary so it can be our new God.
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