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YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I appreciate your opinion, for sure. I wonder why you don’t consider 2 to be the “right” choice if the goal was not to bias the answer, which 3 does. Just as 3 seems clear to you, 2 seems clear to me. Have you heard of tainting a jury pool, or biasing the answers?

Companies usually do focus groups for this kind of thing. And that kind of research usually involves a consent form and a research firm independent of the company... Mixing all these metaphors isn't helping. It's like you're flailing for some justification. You act like you're sure you're in the right, but you keep fighting with people. You could just move on without digging any deeper. It's long past obvious your ar…

All of what you said is true, except that I am flailing. I have said the same thing from the beginning. When you ask whether someone enjoys a piece of food, or a sweater, saying you made it or bought it biases the answer. Because people will answer differently if they knew you made it, even if you yourself wanted a truthful answer. It’s really strange that you fail to grasp this obvious concept. Have you never seen people do this? It really shouldn’t have been such a big deal for you to dig in for many rounds of argument. Why not just say “oh, I see what you mean”?

Yes - I am confident I am right. I am choosing not to back down and acquiesce to a mistaken position. You take that as the opposite of what I think. I clearly didn’t convince you — but I did manage to clarify it.

You have a strange idea of words like “fighting” and “shilling”. My asking a question in the GP isn’t “fighting” or “shilling”, any more than the original one was “promoting”.

This is a thread deep inside HN forums, one of many, and mostly involves me and you.

I’d like to claim I’ll remember it, but honestly, I doubt it. Most of the stuff we write online is forgotten, and hardly read by anyone. It is just a cathartic process of self-expression. When the AIs will generate 99.999% of content online, your concerns will seem quaint. No one will care. I would take a bet with you that this thread won’t rank highly on google for any of the terms — but I do believe you when you say you - a single person - will remember it years later if encountering teaching.app

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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YouTube has been showing me a ton of channels with low Hundreds of views recently, and they’re very to my taste. Ymmv but they’re doing well at exactly what you’re complaining about in my experience

Yeah I've noticed that YouTube almost always recommends me one or two videos with less than 100 views now. Must be a relatively recent change. The videos are often pretty relevant and pretty good, which is a bit depressing. Seeing people put a lot of work into videos that nobody watches (by YouTube standards) is sad. Though that is the reality of most channels. Maybe this change will help them.

I have a conjecture, they're using you as a barometer to see how you react to it compared to people with similar profiles I've seen a couple that go on to get decent viewcounts, but I don't care enough to keep tabs on anything in particular

Then again, I do have 10 hour a day watch time average, my data is vast, but highly skewed

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I'm troubled by YouTube. There is absolutely incredible content there. And there is so much shit in between the good stuff. Does anyone run a frontend that offers control over the shit? I want my kids to have autonomy in viewing interesting things there, but I don't want to YouTube algorithm attacking their developing brains. Maybe a browser plugin?

That's my problem with it as well... I keep on clicking "I'm not interested" for all kind of clickbait brainless content, but they keep on coming back.

I don't have this issue at all. All my recommendations are pretty accurate and I don't see much mindless content. I have been using YouTube for years now, have over 1000 videos on my Watch Later list, and probably watch multiple hours of YouTube a day. Maybe it just knows me better.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I'm troubled by YouTube. There is absolutely incredible content there. And there is so much shit in between the good stuff. Does anyone run a frontend that offers control over the shit? I want my kids to have autonomy in viewing interesting things there, but I don't want to YouTube algorithm attacking their developing brains. Maybe a browser plugin?

That's my problem with it as well... I keep on clicking "I'm not interested" for all kind of clickbait brainless content, but they keep on coming back.

The only thing that works for me is to say that I dont want any recommendations from that channel. It seems brutal at first but actually I think it's entirely fair and solves the problem. If a channel posts a video about why the S23 is the best phone to buy then I can safely ignore that entire channel. The likelihood of him also posting christian documentaries into the same channel is basically zero.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I agree with the author. I just cancelled Spotify and got YouTube Premium and it was an absolutely brilliant decision. Pretty soon I’m going to cancel Netflix and Prime too and just take out the odd month subscription to a streaming service if there’s something I really want to watch. I’m probably better off watching some informative documentary on YT than I am watching Netflix anyway and if I want entertainment, the…

> they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free I have children between the ages of 9 and 26. You know what they are passionate about? Minecraft, Mr Beast, Travel vlogs, mommy vlogs, “reality” videos, etc. I’ve tried to introduce them to science, space, programming, history, math, finance, nature, etc. content and they don’t want…

> ’ve tried to introduce them to science, space, programming, history, math, finance, nature, etc. content and they don’t want to have anything to do with it.

How did you try to do this? This sounds like a horror story I'm scared of happening when I have kids.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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YouTube is amazing but a couple of disappointments: 1: YouTube financially rewards 12 minute videos. I feel like this has resulted in a collapse in creativity as now most videos are 12 minutes. You get what you pay for. 2: being a walled garden, YouTube is devoid of technical innovation. This really hasn’t evolved far beyond broadcast TV and that’s because YouTube owns all the content and developers can’t innovate th…

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Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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> They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent. Do you have evidence for that? No training makes someone professionally competent, only being a professional does. Even people who go through intense years of law school or medical school, studying directly and interactively with world-class scholars and peers, in actual labs and courtrooms, are not professionally competent lawyers or doctors.…

Not everyone is doing a job that requires lab work. There are a lot of jobs out there which you can learn to do entirely through Youtube and your own personal projects.

Still just empty claims - just like the YouTube videos make. To me, if I'm your interviewer, it looks like you've internalized the fundamental anti-lesson. You can't distinguish BS from accurate knowledge, and you don't even understand that. The BS may get you by on HN but not in a serious workplace. I'm not paying you tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for that.

Every other objection still applies - including all the other benefits of college education. What about those issues?

Again, why should I trust you and your YouTube training. Also, which jobs?

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I'm troubled by YouTube. There is absolutely incredible content there. And there is so much shit in between the good stuff. Does anyone run a frontend that offers control over the shit? I want my kids to have autonomy in viewing interesting things there, but I don't want to YouTube algorithm attacking their developing brains. Maybe a browser plugin?

For excellent front-end alternatives, without recommendation, see:

https://invidious.io

Click "Use invidious" and bookmark 1-2 of the choices

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Yup, I'm the same. I've totally given up on navigating anything except my home page, I'm actually astonished at how good it is. The newest videos from my favorite channels are always listed first, and then it's a smattering of older popular ones from the topics and channels I watch the most, and a handful of things "adjacent" to those that are sometimes not for me but sometimes become my new favorite rabbit hole, so…

I am hooked as well. (But, please, stop with the YouTube Shorts, I'm just not that into you.)

I would love an option in the settings to disable youtube shorts. I don't want them.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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I agree with the author. I just cancelled Spotify and got YouTube Premium and it was an absolutely brilliant decision. Pretty soon I’m going to cancel Netflix and Prime too and just take out the odd month subscription to a streaming service if there’s something I really want to watch. I’m probably better off watching some informative documentary on YT than I am watching Netflix anyway and if I want entertainment, the…

> just cancelled Spotify and got YouTube Premium Did this some time ago. Never looked back.

It took me a while to cancel spotify even though YT music came free with YT premium. I assumed the algo would be on par given the quality of the video recommendations but it took months for my YT music recommendations to get close to Discover Weekly.
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