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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I am looking forward! I tried side loading the YouTube with sponsorblock and adblock, which worked but renewing the apps weekly is too much effort.

I use Vinegar to remove ads and SponsorBlock, but just access youtube via the web interface. PIP, background audio, all those native OS features that Apple's developer terms forbid companies from charging for but let YouTube charge for, works.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Apple being motivated by improving security are BS, and it pains me te see people in this forum falling for it or reapeating this. There is a great tool to increase security: the browser and its sandbox. You don't need to install anything fishy on your phone, and the sandbox rights coukd be sufficient for many apps. But as an example, Apple denies the full screen feature for websites and even PWA... only installed on…

Users don’t want crappy PWAs, they want something that follows the platform UI conventions. It’s good that Apple care enough about about UX to actually enforce this.

"Users" don't fall in one bucket. Me, I do want some PWA's, not least because Apple's prudish stance disallows anything sexual or adult on the App store.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around…

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

That is hardly the fault of the EU, but one member state. Everyone points to the evil bureaucratic EU, but in reality, member states frequently get in the way of the EU to protect their industry.

In both cases, Germany had to accept rules they would have never accepted if they were outside of the EU - even if they sadly were able to soften them up.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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When this was first proposed in the EU, the connected they wanted to mandate was the "standard" at the time. USB Mini-B. Which is now deprecated and a few generations behind. And the same arguments were made at the time. "Stifle innovation" and "what innovation, this connector is perfect. No need for improvement."

> When this was first proposed Well, it's a good thing they UPDATED the bill that eventually became law, right? I guess they could probably do that again, if necessary!

They technically can, but making such update is not like making a correction in google docs, it easyly can take years. And as always in politics there will be some well-established players interested in keeping outdated standard in place.

I like USB-C way more, and frankly don't like Apple that much at all, but let's not pretend lawfare doesn't have collateral damage.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

That is hardly the fault of the EU, but one member state. Everyone points to the evil bureaucratic EU, but in reality, member states frequently get in the way of the EU to protect their industry. In both cases, Germany had to accept rules they would have never accepted if they were outside of the EU - even if they sadly were able to soften them up.

Well it would make sense that the problem is precisely that some state members have an outweighted power distribution for calling the shots.

Like yeah, Germany likes to keep the EU as a consumer of their shit, basically.

France likes to play along 2nd I guess

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU

That is hardly the fault of the EU, but one member state. Everyone points to the evil bureaucratic EU, but in reality, member states frequently get in the way of the EU to protect their industry. In both cases, Germany had to accept rules they would have never accepted if they were outside of the EU - even if they sadly were able to soften them up.

The same is happening with other countries and other sectors. Say how strong the farming sector is in France.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this was first proposed Well, it's a good thing they UPDATED the bill that eventually became law, right? I guess they could probably do that again, if necessary!

They technically can, but making such update is not like making a correction in google docs, it easyly can take years. And as always in politics there will be some well-established players interested in keeping outdated standard in place. I like USB-C way more, and frankly don't like Apple that much at all, but let's not pretend lawfare doesn't have collateral damage.

In everything in life, there are trade-offs between different solutions. Personally, I like having just one connector for chargers even if it takes a few extra years to update. I don't think it will, someone else in this thread mentioned the actual connectors aren't in the law but rather a description of a process that the standards org has to perform when updating the approved connector(s) list.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

I think you greatly overestimate the importance the average American assigns to "superior functionality" on an iPhone. As important as it is to you or me, the average person doesn't know or care why they should have these features.

I'm a programmer with 22 years of experience, and a member on HN... and even I don't care :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is hardly the fault of the EU, but one member state. Everyone points to the evil bureaucratic EU, but in reality, member states frequently get in the way of the EU to protect their industry. In both cases, Germany had to accept rules they would have never accepted if they were outside of the EU - even if they sadly were able to soften them up.

The same is happening with other countries and other sectors. Say how strong the farming sector is in France.

McDonalds vs French Farmers

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Hasn't Apple always said the reason they don't allow sideloading was that it'd be impossible without compromising security? So are they claiming their European iDevices won't be secure anymore, or are they admitting they were lying before and that the real reason was nothing but greed?

The claim is nonsense. If it was true Android devices would be full of malware, that is clearly not the case.

> there’s a far greater chance that hackers can make it onto the [Android] platform to distribute malware through malicious apps [compared to iPhone].

https://nordvpn.com/blog/ios-vs-android-security/

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