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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by nickpp »

capableweb wrote: post #145
ethbr0 wrote: post #76

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On the other hand, are we really comparing the leadership of Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine and deciding these things are the same? Last I checked, Ukraine hadn't invaded its neighbors, gassed ethnic minorities, or taken freedom from its entire female population. The US handled Afghanistan and Iraq poorly, and lied about reasons for going in, but there were actual underlying reasons. Ukraine is only being invaded be…

Multiple actors can be horrible at the same time. The US is pretty horrible when it invades other countries, so is Russia. As far as I know, Ukraine never had a military big enough to actually do any invasion of other countries, but if Ukraine was the size of the US with the military of the US, I wouldn't bet on them not being horrible when invading other countries.

It doesn't even compare. Countries unlucky enough to be invaded by Russia wished we were "conquered" by USA instead.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by denton-scratch »

ethbr0 wrote: post #95
denton-scratch wrote: post #61

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> Not enough to win decisively. It's often claimed that US policy is to take advantage of the war to grind down Russian military capability, and that the USA will fight to the last Ukrainian. I must say, I find the reluctance to supply missiles that could be used to hit targets inside Russia seems to support that view. I mean, it's not as if Russia is hitting targets inside Ukraine, is it? /s It's completely normal i…

Ukraine could hit the Crimean Bridge from territory they control today with ATACMS, which if kept inoperable would make supplying Crimea untenable. That's Ukrainian territory by international law, a valid military target, and minimal civilian casualties. The US should have given them examples for that single purpose long ago. It's not like Ukraine and Russia aren't already shooting SRBMs at each other.

The Kerch Strait Bridge is seen by Ukrainians as a gross national insult; its destruction would be a huge morale booster for Ukraine.

I don't know how much reliance Russian forces in Crimea place on the bridge. It seems rather fragile to rely on that bridge to supply the entire peninsular. Crimea can be resupplied by sea; it has several ports, including a huge one at Sevastopol.

However Crimea lacks its own water supply; Crimean water supplies come by pipeline from the Dniepro. My guess is that Ukraine would love to control that pipeline.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ghostwriter »

asats wrote: post #155
ghostwriter wrote: post #151

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> but there is an obvious filter that the ones left behind are on average less risk taking Where’s that clarity come from? The opposite could be argued as well: those who’ve left are seeking safety and safety isn’t associated with risk taking. There are fewer risks in leaving Russia than in staying in. > breakthrough is much more likely to come out of the young risk taking ones now living in a functional country and…

>Where’s that clarity come from? The opposite could be argued as well: those who’ve left are seeking safety and safety isn’t associated with risk taking. There are fewer risks in leaving Russia than in stayin in. It's not about safety, it's about agency. Because action > inaction. Staying put does not require anything, just making excuses why nothing can be done to either change things or move. The ones that stayed a…

It’s the second time you’re deliberately avoiding answering where else is your clarity about the second group come from, except from your imagining things.

> It's not about safety, it's about agency. Because action > inaction. Staying put does not require anything, just making excuses why nothing can be done to either change things or move.

When a person has an option to leave but decides otherwise, they exercise their agency and the action is described as a conscious decision based on an act of volition. You are free to attribute it to - as you said - “making excuses” or “actually lacking agency”, but that would be the same biased simplification of reality that you’ve already done a few times in other comments.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by waihtis »

larry_ralph_ wrote: post #158
waihtis wrote: post #135

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Indeed. That's the point here. Russia was high up on the axis of overall innovation. But by adopting the bolshevist/communistic terror system, the direction of progress was permanently set into a downward direction. It is a loss for all of humanity at 100% certainty.

Every single of the innovations the OP listed was attained under "the bolshevist/communistic terror system". Prior to the 1917 Revolution, Imperial Russia was an Agricultural backwater that was widely derided as the least industrialized part of Europe. Honest question: Don't they teach history in school these days? The level of ignorance displayed in some of the comments in this thread is staggering.

Hilarious. Are you advocating the Soviet Union was a progressive nation?

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ForestCritter »

moonchrome wrote: post #44
meitham wrote: post #15

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The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.

> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Is this using the Elizabeth Warren native american logic ?

Yup, and so am I. I'm also a Viking, when it suits me (I look more like a Viking although it's much further back in my ancestry than my Native American great grandfather. I get to be a French Gaulois and a Romney Gypsy too. The real question is how can I profit by what I identify as...

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by SSLy »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #112
dimaaan wrote: post #109

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Thank you for that kind of words. It's so rare nowadays. While i agree with technology, art (painters, literature), dance (ballet), i didn't think Russia brings much to the worlds of music. Curious what is in you iTunes rotation?

Mostly techno stuff. Also, surprisingly, some really good flamenco guitar, and Arabic-inspired stuff. Some might be from former Russian nations, but some is straight from St. Petersburg. I’m not really in a position, at the moment, to find the various songs. I have a big library, and it takes a while to find stuff. I have very eclectic tastes.

s/former Russian/former Soviet/

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ghostwriter »

capableweb wrote: post #145
ethbr0 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, are we really comparing the leadership of Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine and deciding these things are the same? Last I checked, Ukraine hadn't invaded its neighbors, gassed ethnic minorities, or taken freedom from its entire female population. The US handled Afghanistan and Iraq poorly, and lied about reasons for going in, but there were actual underlying reasons. Ukraine is only being invaded be…

Multiple actors can be horrible at the same time. The US is pretty horrible when it invades other countries, so is Russia. As far as I know, Ukraine never had a military big enough to actually do any invasion of other countries, but if Ukraine was the size of the US with the military of the US, I wouldn't bet on them not being horrible when invading other countries.

> but if Ukraine was the size of the US with the military of the US, I wouldn't bet on them not being horrible when invading other countries.

It didn’t stop them from taking part in the invasion of Iraq:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by CyberDildonics »

imsointeresting wrote: post #72
asats wrote: post #30

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Most of the brightest ones have left the country, so I do wonder if it might result in being a net positive for the world, moving a million brightest people from a decaying autocracy into the functional countries with good management, potential investors and a culture of innovation. Russian culture in Russia might be done for though, at least for a while.

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A three hour old name created to post "what about the west" - this is becoming practically a hacker news cliche.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by CyberDildonics »

ForestCritter wrote: post #168
myko wrote: post #18

Putin has killed the entire society. I feel bad for the folks who can't get out.

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where the state governments aren't behaving any better than Putin

This is an insane thing to say. He is devastating an entire country. There are 354,000 people dead already. What is your evidence?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-war-already-wit...

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